If you build a Dam

dolluper · Mar 27, 2006

If your thinking of building a dam you better read these letters interesting This is an actual letter sent to a man named Ryan >DeVries by the Michigan Department of Environmental Quality, State of >Michigan. The guy's response is hilarious, but read the State's letter >before you get to the response letter > > > > > (This is the State's Letter!) > > SUBJECT: DEQ File No.97-59-0023; T11N; R10W, Sec. 20; Montcalm County > > Dear Mr. DeVries: > > It has come to the attention of the Department of Environmental Quality > that there has been recent unauthorized activity on the above referenced > parcel of property. You have been certified as the legal landowner > and/or contractor who did the following unauthorized activity: > > Construction and maintenance of two wood debris dams across the outlet > stream of Spring Pond. > > A permit must be issued prior to the start of this type of activity. A > review of the department's files shows that no permits have been issued. > Therefore, the Department has determined that this activity is in > violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource > and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, > being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled Laws, > annotated. > > The Department has been informed that one or both of the dams partially > failed during a recent rain event, causing debris and flooding at > downstream locations. We find that dams of this nature are inherently > hazardous and cannot be permitted. The Department therefore orders you > to cease and desist all activities at this location, and to restore the > stream to a free-flow condition by removing all wood and brush forming > the dams from the stream channel. All restoration work shall be > completed no later than January 31, 2005. > > Please notify this office when the restoration has been completed so > that a follow-up site inspection may be scheduled by our staff. Failure > to comply with this request or any further unauthorized activity on the > site may result in this case being referred for elevated enforcement > action. We anticipate and would appreciate your full cooperation in this > matter. > Please feel free to contact me at this office if you have any questions. > > Sincerely, > > David L. Price, District Representative > Land and Water Management Division > > ** Here is the actual response sent back by Mr. DeVries: ** > > Re: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023; T11N; R10W, Sec. 20; Montcalm County. > > Dear Mr. Price, > > Your certified letter dated 12/17/02 has been handed to me to respond > to. I am the legal landowner but not the Contractor at 2088 Dagget, > Pierson, Michigan. A couple of beavers are in the process of > constructing and maintaining two wood "debris" dams across the outlet > stream of my Spring Pond. > > While I did not pay for, authorize, nor supervise their dam project, I > think they would be highly offended that you call their skillful use of > natures building materials "debris." I would like to challenge your > department to attempt to emulate their dam project any time and/or any > place you choose. > > I believe I can safely state there is no way you could ever match their > dam skills, their dam resourcefulness, their dam ingenuity, their dam > persistence, their dam determination and/or their dam work ethic. > > As to your request, I do not think the beavers are aware that they must > first fill out a dam permit prior to the start of this type of dam >activity. > > My first dam question to you is: (1) Are you trying to discriminate > against my Spring Pond Beavers, or (2) do you require all beavers > throughout this state to conform to said dam request? If you are not > discriminating against these particular beavers, through the Freedom of > Information Act, I request completed copies of all those other > applicable beaver dam permits that have been issued. Perhaps we will see > if there really is a dam violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and > Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Act, Act > 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.30101to 324.30113 of > the Michigan Compiled Laws, annotated. > > I have several concerns. My first concern is; aren't the beavers > entitled to legal representation? The Spring Pond Beavers are > financially destitute and are unable to pay for said representation -- > so the State will have to provide them with a dam lawyer. The > Department's dam concern that either one or both of the dams failed > during a recent rain event, causing flooding, is proof that this is a > natural occurrence, which the Department is required to protect. In > other words, we should leave the Spring Pond Beavers alone rather than > harassing them and calling their dam names. > > If you want the stream "restored" to a dam free-flow condition please > contact the beavers -- but if you are going to arrest them, they > obviously did not pay any attention to your dam letter, they being > unable to read English. > > In my humble opinion, the Spring Pond Beavers have a right to build > their unauthorized dams as long as the sky is blue, the grass is green > and water flows downstream. They have more dam rights than I do to live > and enjoy Spring Pond. If the Department of Natural Resources and > Environmental Protection lives up to its name, it should protect the > natural resources (Beavers) and the environment (Beavers' Dams). > > So, as far as the beavers and I are concerned, this dam case can be > referred for more elevated enforcement action right now. Why wait until > 1/31/2005? The Spring Pond Beavers may be under the dam ice then and > there will be no way for you or your dam staff to contact/harass them >then. > > In conclusion, I would like to bring to your attention to a real > environmental quality (health) problem in the area. It is the bears! > Bears are actually defecating in our woods. I definitely believe you > should be persecuting the defecating bears and leave the beavers alone. > If you are going to investigate the beaver dam, watch your step! (The > bears are not careful where they dump!) > Being unable to comply with your dam request, and being unable to > contact you on your dam answering machine, I am sending this response to > your dam office. > > THANK YOU. > > RYAN DEVRIES & THE DAM BEAVERS

ztim · Mar 27, 2006

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I love it! Was this for real?

SpinnerBait_Nut · Mar 27, 2006

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Originally posted by ztim04: I love it! Was this for real?

Well, in a way it is. Read on. _____________________________________________ Dear Mr. Price: Re: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023; T11N, R10W, Sec 20; Montcalm County Your certified letter dated 12/17/97 has been handed to me to respond to. You sent out a great deal of carbon copies to a lot of people, but you neglected to include their addresses. You will, therefore, have to send them a copy of my response. First of all, Mr. Ryan DeVries is not the legal landowner and/or contractor at 2088 Dagget, Pierson, Michigan - I am the legal owner and a couple of beavers are in the (State unauthorized) process of constructing and maintaining two wood "debris" dams across the outlet stream of my Spring Pond. While I did not pay for, nor authorize, their dam project, I think they would be highly offended you call their skillful use of natural building materials "debris." I would like to challenge you to attempt to emulate their dam project any dam time and/or any dam place you choose. I believe I can safely state there is no dam way you could ever match their dam skills, their dam resourcefulness, their dam ingenuity, their dam persistence, their dam determination and/or their dam work ethic. As to your dam request the beavers first must fill out a dam permit prior to the start of this type of dam activity, my first dam question to you is: are you trying to discriminate against my Spring Pond Beavers or do you require all dam beavers throughout this State to conform to said dam request? If you are not discriminating against these particular beavers, please send me completed copies of all those other applicable beaver dam permits. Perhaps we will see if there really is a dam violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled Laws annotated. My first concern is - aren't the dam beavers entitled to dam legal representation? The Spring Pond Beavers are financially destitute and are unable to pay for said dam representation - so the State will have to provide them with a dam lawyer. The Department's dam concern that either one or both of the dams failed during a recent rain event causing dam flooding is proof we should leave the dam Spring Pond Beavers alone rather than harassing them and calling them dam names. If you want the dam stream "restored" to a dam free-flow condition - contact the dam beavers - but if you are going to arrest them (they obviously did not pay any dam attention to your dam letter-being unable to read English) - be sure you read them their dam Miranda rights first. As for me, I am not going to cause more dam flooding or dam debris jams by interfering with these dam builders. If you want to hurt these dam beavers - be aware I am sending a copy of your dam letter and this response to PETA. If your dam Department seriously finds all dams of this nature inherently hazardous and truly will not permit their existence in this dam State - I seriously hope you are not selectively enforcing this dam policy, or once again both I and the Spring Pond Beavers will scream prejudice! In my humble opinion, the Spring Pond Beavers have a right to build their dam unauthorized dams as long as the sky is blue, the grass is green, and water flows downstream. They have more dam right than I to live and enjoy Spring Pond. So, as far as I and the beavers are concerned, this dam case can be referred for more dam elevated enforcement action now. Why wait until 1/31/98? The Spring Pond Beavers may be under the dam ice then, and there will be no dam way for you or your dam staff to contact/harass them then. In conclusion, I would like to bring to your attention a real environmental quality (health) problem: bears are actually defecating in our woods. I definitely believe you should be persecuting the defecating bears and leave the dam beavers alone. If you are going to investigate the beaver dam, watch your step! (The bears are not careful where they dump!) Being unable to comply with your dam request, and being unable to contact you on your dam answering machine, I am sending this response to your dam office. Sincerely, Stephen L. Tvedten

SpinnerBait_Nut · Mar 27, 2006

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Here is some more info. _____________________________________________ In July 1997, one of Stephen Tvedten's neighbors noticed flooding on his property and traced it back to a dam on Tvedten's stream. He complained to the Michigan Department of Environmental Quality (DEQ) on July 28. Five months later, the agency responded with a letter to the offending land owner. The letter, from David Price, a local Michigan DEQ official, was blunt. The "construction and maintenance of two wood debris dams across the outlet stream of Spring Pond" was "unauthorized" because "a permit must be issued prior to the start of this type of activity." The letter ordered Stephen Tvedten, the land owner, to "cease and desist" under penalty of "elevated enforcement action." Mr. Tvedten responded to the Michigan DEQ's demand with the now widely-circulated "dam letter," in which he pointed out that the "debris dams" he had been ordered to remove because they were constructed without permission from the state of Michigan were actually built by beavers. The DEQ later claimed they were fully aware the "debris dams" were beaver dams; the issue, they said, was that the beavers who built them had long since abandoned the dams, but Mr. Tvedten had been continuing to maintain and even build up the dams himself: The letter concerned an enforcement action directed to a tenant on property surrounding Spring Pond, which is located in Pierson Township, Montcalm County, Michigan. The tenant was observed by the downstream complainant, and has since admitted to the complainant, that he artificially built up, and maintained two abandoned beaver dams on the discharge end of the natural pond. Such an activity falls under the jurisdiction of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resources and Environmental Protection Act, 1194 PA 451, as amended. It is the Department's position that in the absence of any threat to public welfare, beaver dams should be left in their natural state, that being either actively maintained or abandoned by beaver. The Department conducted an on-site inspection of the dams in August of 1997, accompanied by a Department of Natural Resources fisheries biologist, the Pierson Township Supervisor and the complainant. The tenant's actions, and a threat to the welfare of the downstream complainant prompted our correspondence of December 1997, instructing the tenant to cease and desist all illegal activity and to restore the stream to its prior condition. The owner of the property took issue with our action, and responded with his own version of the situation. It was this correspondence that has been circulating in the internet. Luis Saldivia Grand Rapids District Supervisor Land and Water Management Division 616-356-0208 For his part, Mr. Tvedten claimed that the dams had been "abandoned" because a neighbor had killed the beavers (then filed a complaint with the state because he was concerned that the untended dams would break apart and enter his property) and that no one but the beavers had ever maintained them. And contemporaneous accounts of the brouhaha quoted a Michigan DEQ spokesman as saying the agency hadn't performed an inspection before firing off their December 1997 letter to Mr. Tvedten: Ken Silfven, public information officer at the state Department of Environmental Quality, said that . . . the account was correct. He hastened to note, however, that the case was prompted by a complaint from a neighbor who was concerned about flooding caused by the dams. The department dropped its investigation after an inspection by a DEQ employee. "It probably would have been a good idea to do the inspection before we sent the notice," Silfven said. After some wrangling the agency ultimately dropped the issue, but not before Stephen Tvedten found an inventive way of quickly pointing out both how ludicrous and humorous the situation was. In a way dusty legal language never could, such a letter serves to drive home the silliness of Michigan DEQ's intractable posturing. The beavers are likely still ignorant of how close they came to being fined $10,000 a day for dam living expenses.

ztim · Mar 27, 2006

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lol

Ron G · Mar 27, 2006

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LOL ,all over dams and beavers

roscoe · Mar 27, 2006

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All over the ignorance and stupidity of the guy that built a house (downstream) in the floodplain of a stream.

SS MAYFLOAT · Mar 27, 2006

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I remember reading that one time before. Still funny!

Holdimhook · Mar 27, 2006

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Ward, don't you think you were a little too hard on the Beaver?

sangerwaker · Mar 27, 2006

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that there was dam funny!

stan_deezy · Mar 27, 2006

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Quote "It probably would have been a good idea to do the inspection before we sent the notice," Silfven said. No Schitt Sherlock

Loved it, absolutely loved it

Link · Mar 27, 2006

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This has been around for years! (many years) I don't know if it's true or not and don't care. It is still funny!

If you build a Dam

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