influencing your vote?

mellowyellow

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what issues will most influence your vote?<br /><br />although I have heard nothing discussed yet, for<br />me the number 1 issue I think we need is an<br />improvement in this country's education system.<br />knowledge = power = $<br />we are WAY behind other countries in the level of<br />education of our children! why?<br /><br />kids with a good education are:<br />most likely to succeed as adults.<br />less likely to get pregnant at a young age.<br />less likely to smoke, drink, do drugs etc.<br />less likely to turn to crime.<br />more likely to become productive, tax paying<br />citizens...<br /><br />I have a few other issues on my mind, but it sure<br />seems we should start at the beginning. after all,<br />when I'm ready to retire in abour 25yrs, a child<br />born today will be paying my social security (maybe?)<br /><br />politics and parties aside, what issues are most<br />important to you and could swing your vote?<br />curious,<br />M.Y.
 

snapperbait

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Education should be first, however I think we need to start with the "powers that be"...<br /><br />As far as the Fed goes, term limits without all the retirement perks, and campaign finance reform, something the career politicians are scared to death of..<br /><br />The real problems are'nt so much with the Federal government, the problems are at the state and local level.. <br /><br />My #1 issue, growth... I feel a vent comming on...<br /><br />Here in my area, state and local politicians are bought and paid for by the land grabbing developers... A huge problem... <br /><br />The local politicians constantly change the rules and allow the developers to build housing developments in the swamps and once protected scrub land, and nobody seems to care (or their just plain ignorant)... Then they cry when it floods out there.. I tell em', Well there Mr. "I'm from up north" it was/is a swamp, whatdaya want?... duhhhh! :rolleyes: People get awful pi$$ed when ya tell em' their $1,000,000 house with a zero lot line is built on swamp land.. :D LMAO @ em'.. <br /><br />This place is growing so fast that the school system can't keep up.. They build new and refurbish existing schools as fast as they can.. New schools are overcrowded before the new school is even finished..<br /><br />Traffic and road construction is awful, roads we do have that are good can't handle the amounts of traffic..<br /><br />Yup, the local yocals are the big issue for me... I'm done.. :cool:
 

rolmops

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Education would be number one.<br />Socialized health care, so everybody has the right to health care and health care is no longer on the employer's expense list but part of income tax,number 2.<br />And just as important protection of social security.<br />I just hope that both republican and democrat candidates would both support these essentials,that way the people of the USA will not loose the bare essentials by supporting one over the other.
 

Boomyal

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I hope that this is not how you would educate, MY, if you got your wish!<br /><br />"Socialized health care, so everybody has the right to health care and health care is no longer on the employer's expense list but part of income tax..."
 

POINTER94

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Great topic,<br /><br />snapperbait,<br /><br />I hear you brother. That is what happens when politicians use zoning laws as a means to economic development. Land use planners are closer to the developers than to the codes they are suppose to enforce. Good news bad news. These things are cyclical. Evenually all those million dollar homes on postage stamps will be worth nothing when the quality of life is negatively impacted by the effects of ignoring the zoning laws.<br /><br />I would agree with the rest of the posts that education is of critical importance. My solution would be to focus on that which is most important. RRR. I would like to see a de-emphasis on athletics, (not elimination)we need to eliminate the mainstreaming of those with learning disabilities. Not physical. They are dumbing down the group and they cannot recieve the type of education they need. Extra schools, extra $'s, just do it. Burned out teachers got to go. We can't mortgage the next generation cuz a teacher has had enough but also has tenure. Good teachers get paid and bad teachers get fired.<br /><br />Our schools are not safe. Guns, knives, drugs, sex, etc. You can get more things in our high schools than you can get in tiajuana on friday nights. This type of environment is not condusive to learning and we can't penalize those who can follow the rules for the sake of personal slackers. Three strikes and you are out. And that means boot camp schools. If parents don't want to hear that little Johnny is a 16 years old drug dealing illiterate, then the wake up call has to be made. (Educational triage) Calculators in school should be off limits. Learn math before you learn the short cuts. Street culture is now the culture that our children are forced to exist within during their time in school, no more. We need to provide a safe, mature environment, based around learning. We have become a country of governmental or social accountability when what we need is personal accountability.<br /><br />I would encourage smaller neighborhood schools. It would encourage greater parental involvment and fewer logistical and transportation issues.<br /><br />Social engineering in our schools have to end. It would be my opinion that what makes a great teacher is someones ability to connect with kids, not how many liberal credits you recieve at the environmental awareness camp teachers can go to to maintain their licence.<br /><br />No more social promotions. It is called incentive to put forth the effort. No grades, no advancement.<br /><br />No 2.0, NO SPORTS. Far too many parents see their kids as property or toys, and when they turn 18 society can take care of them. In todays world, neglecting a child's education is tatamont to neglect. Failure is far to easily accepted and excused. OK OK rant over :rolleyes: <br /><br />Term limits is something that must be enacted to prevent the continued abuses of the professional politicans. Both sides of the isle. <br /><br />The judiciary is a mess. The 9th circuit???? These clowns are legislating from the bench and that creates a ruling class. This country is run by the will of the people within a framework outlined by laws created by ELECTED representatives.<br /><br />This post was long and probably boring but, that is what I would like to see evolve in the next couple of years, and I will try to vote to see to it that it gets accomplished. :)
 

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Children today are all victims of failed social experiments and money ain't gonna fix it. I'm not gonna get into a p*ssin' contest with anyone but there are grown people right here on this very thread who can't spell or write a proper sentence but they get all po'd when their children can't read or write. When's the last time you told one of your kids to look up a word in the dictionary or better yet, when's the last time you looked up a word in the dictionary. <br /><br />There.<br /><br />c/6<br />Hooty
 

Ralph 123

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There is truth in the social experiments charge. I lived through one of the biggest of them here in Boston in the 70s. 25 years later all concerned, backed up by research, admitted it was a horrendous mistake. I have old Teddy Kennedy among others, to thank for what happened to many of my peers. <br /><br />Now, after a tangential social engineering project, there is a MASSIVE heroin epidemic. hard drugs were never ever allowed in the proud, blue collar neighborhood but times have changed....<br /><br />Anyway, the most important day of my life is the day I realized I was responsible for my own life and my own education. Now that is the one lesson I try hardest to help young people learn.<br /><br />If you want to see an overall improvement in the education system in the US, just allow choice. The rich have choice and the poor do not. Nothing produces results like healthy competition. You know, survival of the fittest :D
 

SoulWinner

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Folks, this is an easy one. Kill every cent of funding in schools that goes toward sports, and pour it into reading, math and science.
 

wilkin250r

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I am a product of a "sports" education, and I firmly support it. Athletics are a large reason that keep many kids IN school, and off the streets and away from drugs. I am against the socialization of our education system, but removing sports is not the answer. For many kids, sports is the key to HIGHER education.
 

SpinnerBait_Nut

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No the key to higher ed is teachers that teach and not worry about how good they look or if they can make an inpression on a school board member for their own agenda.<br /><br />I know times have changed, but when I was in school, there was none of this detention nonsense, if you screwed up, you got the board and went back to class.<br />That teaches education.<br /><br />Kids nowadays have no respect for anyone.<br />Thats the problem.<br />IMO.
 

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I believe education is very important also, but man you outta see the stuff my kids are learning in the SECOND grade. Kids today are bombarded by soo much school work, that they don't have time to be kids, IMO. ........and thats a problem nobody discusses.<br /><br />What I see is a bunch of well educated people with very little common sense.<br /><br />I would like to see more emphasis put on family values. More emphasis on what is really important in life. <br /><br />I would like to see the U.S. take a less liberal approach to all of our problems.<br /><br />I would like to see us take a harder stance on criminals and lawbreakers. Laws should be enforced better, and serious criminals should not sit in prison, especially when my hard earned dollars are paying for these scum.<br /><br />I would like to know that Social Security will be there for me when I am in the twilight of my life.<br /><br />I would like to see lower taxes.<br /><br />I will vote for the person who I believe will come the closest to accomplishing the things that I would like to see accomplished.<br /><br />..........as for now, thats Bush.
 

mikeandronda

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Right on Carphunter.......Im not against sports but if there is a shortage on money its a no brainer that sports go first. We send our kids to school to learn and quite frankly our school system shouldnt have to bribe our kids to go. If we as parents make them, you know dont give them a choice to go or not this would not be a problem. Now dont get me wrong I was of those kids who my parents couldnt or wouldnt force me to do anything and because of that life was hard when I became an adult. Its now my problem I didnt get the edjucation I should have or could have not my schools. With that kind of thinking maybe we should pay them to go.......I bet more would show up :rolleyes:
 

KM2

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Education, health care, the enviroment are all real important but the I thing that is on my mind the most and I can't believe it's not mentioned is security. I don't feel we are that safe in this country and without security the rest of those things don't seem to matter. <br />We are at war with the terrorist and that's what will influence my vote the most.
 

Bigfun

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This national election, issue #1. National security. 2. Type of judges to be appointed 3. Gun control 4. Taxes. 5. Morality/ethics. MY. As for education, I believe you have it wrong with your list of "kids with a good education". Although partly true, the real determining factor in the success or failure of kids are the parents. A kid that has made it thru high school while learning the knowledge expected and having the dicipline to make good choices, will be backed by good parents. More money in ed. only creates more programs that are then used to excuse more parents of their responsibility. The only cure for the septic tank that is our ed. system, is to put (force) the resposibility of ed. back in the hands of parents. Public, private, charter, I don't care where you send your kids, but the tax money should follow them. We have to settle this seperation of church and state bull ***x.
 

mattttt25

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kill sports in schools? may be the worst idea i have ever heard. talk about the increase in discipline problems, drug use, obesity, just to name a few. wow.
 

jimchere

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Maybe we're missing the point here about schools? I agree that education is the prime importance and future of this country, and the world.<br />However, something's amiss. No matter how much money we throw into this, nothing changes. THink about that. More money, no change. From a simplistic standpoint, it would seem that their are horrendous inefficiencies, what I like to refer to as "sumps," at play.<br />Gotta clean out the sumps first, then worry about the money.
 

SoulWinner

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Hey, I'm not saying do away with sports, But it is total BS for everyone to pay for programs that used by so few students. Let the jocks and thier families fund sports, let education tax dollars be spent on....uh.....education?
 
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