Installing Brake Lines

gregmsr

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On my single axle trailer. Question:

Is it necessary to have flexible lines connecting to the calipers?
Two flex lines came with the kit (actually three, the one I know where it goes). If I use the flex lines at the calipers, the 72" steel line from wheel to wheel is way too long. I guess I could have one made for exact fit, or, try and coil up the excess along the axle.

Any input would be great.
 

MrBigStuff

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Re: Installing Brake Lines

Hardlines should never be used to span from a ridgid frame to a sprung wheel. They are not designed to take the repeated flexing or vibration. The flex line makes the connection from the hardline at the frame to the wheel cylinder and is designed to handle the repetitive motion.

If you have a tubing bender, you can coil up or just add some bends to the line to get it to be the correct length. Be sure that it will not protrude past the protection of the frame where it can be damaged.
 

gregmsr

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Re: Installing Brake Lines

The main hardline will drop down from the rigid frame with a flex hose into a 3-way fitting. Then run along the axle to both sides. The axle moves with the calipers and wheels, correct? So, if there is no differental movement between the two, one may determine no flex line is needed. (just thinking here).
The brake line kit arrived without detailed instructions and this is my first install.
I will probably have to have an exact length hardline made as there is not enough width to the axle to allow for enough bends to shorten the line.

Thanks and if anyone has some pics of their installation, please post them.
 

Bondo

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Re: Installing Brake Lines

Ayuh,....

You only need a Flexline where there's motion, as in where the line goes from the frame to the axle....

If the hardline is too long,+ you don't have a double flairing tool,....
Just put a couple of Z bends in it,... A 2" Z bend will eat up nearly 6" of excess line.....
 

gregmsr

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Re: Installing Brake Lines

I was thinking I would not need the two extra flex lines that was supplied in the kit. What got me thinking was I read somewhere about "floating calipers" requiring a section of flex line (disc brake installation). The axle is only 2" wide. How the heck do you put in "Z" bends in that narrow an area without something hanging down below the axle? Make everything stick up above the axle? Crap! This is requiring too much thought. I will make it work
Any other input is appreciated.
 

Celeb92

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Re: Installing Brake Lines

Yes -- disc brake calipers move on their rigid mounts -- a small amount but enough to require connection to the system via the flexible hoses. The backing plates for drum brakes do not move -- they are mounted securely to their rigid mounts -- so are usually plumbed directly with the "hard" metal tubing. Use a hose from the hard line secured to the trailer to the axle tube. The hose terminates in a "T" fitting. The T fitting and the associated brake lines should be ABOVE the axle tube. Depending on how close the T fitting is installed to the caliper on one side, you might be able to run one of yout two shorter hoses from the T to the close caliper or you may need a length of hard tubing. The other caliper will be far enough away that you will need hard tubing from the T to close enough to the other caliper to make a connection with your third hose. Now -- do NOT cut the hard tubing -- even if you have a double flaring tool and know how to use it. Unlike a car (at least the earlier ones that I worked on) that use single wall brake tubing that can be field double-flared, marine brake lines are double wall and can not be reliably double-flared in the field. Use ONLY the factory flared tubing ends. Instead, check the cupboard for a jar with about the right diameter (I'd suggest nothing smaller than 2 inch) and use it as a form that you can SLOWLY wind the excess lengths of hard tubing around. Besides shorting the tubing, winding it allows the tubing to enter the area in one direction and neatly exit in the direction needed to mate with the other tubing/fittings, etc. The windings should be close together -- like a closed NOT stretched spring. Now, get yourself some stainless steel "tie-wraps" (just like the plastic ones used to hold wire bundles together). You can find these at any automobile speed shop since they are used to hold insulating materials on exhaust components. They are needed since the plastic ones will eventually break due to UV caused deterioration. The point is that you do not want to be drilling holes in axle tubes since it weakens the tubes and acts as a site for accelerated corrosion. Make sure that you use enough of the stainless steel tie-wraps to make sure that there is no chance that the tubing and fittings can vibrate or otherwise become detached from the axle tube. On yea, use on or more ss tie-wraps to secure the coils of your bent tubing together and at least one or either side of any coil to prevent it from vibrating (concentrated weight of the coil). If you do it this way, you won't compromise the strength of the axles, will have a nice neat installation that minimizes the possibility of road debris snagging the lines, and you won't have tubing connections that leak once made up tight (two wrenches, please). BTW -- I use only stainless steel brake lines on my trailers. Hope this helps.
 

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Re: Installing Brake Lines

I just looked under my tandom with surge disk brakes. There is a flex line up on the hitch to allow for the surge. Rigid line from there down the trailer to the rear axle. A flex line from the trailer to the axle and then a 3 way tee. The flex into the top of the tee and then rigid down each axle over to the calipers. From there, I have a flex from the rigid line to each caliper. Hope this helps.
 

gregmsr

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Re: Installing Brake Lines

Great information guys. Thanks a lot!
 

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Re: Installing Brake Lines

Make sure you run your brake line on the backside of the axle so that any road debris won't hit it and break it.
 

gregmsr

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Re: Installing Brake Lines

Thanks bruce. I got everything done and I did mount on the back side. Turned out a good install (I think). Tomorrow I will road test. Worked good in my garage. Would have been easier with boat off trailer but not possible. I will post results.
Thanks to all for your help!!
 

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Well the road test went good. Everything seems to work fine. Found a small leak at one of the lines to re-tighten. Now a 20-30 mile test before i'm comfortable.
I think I got the new bearings packed good enough but we'll see.
Question: If I want to re-pack the bearings, what is the easiest way to remove the grease seal to get to the inner bearing? Can it be removed and re-used or should I plan to get new seals once they have been removed. The last time I tried to remove the seal, I ruined it. Can I get enough grease to the inner bearing without removing the seal?
Is there a tool to drive the seal out without ruining it?
 
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