Is this "plug" supposed to be in the cooling jacket?

kmagnuss

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I'm brand new to outboards. Considering rebuilding the 95' Evinrude 115 90 degree on my boat I just bought... when I took off the head of the low psi pistons I noticed what I thought was a clog in the cooling jacket. Well once I started scraping it out I noticed what looked like an identical 'clog' on the botom one too. Well now here I am scratching my head wondering if it's actually supposed to be in there to help divert the water around the cylinders... woops.

So what do you think... is this supposed to be here?

You can see it at the very top and bottom of the water jacket here.

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HighTrim

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Re: Is this "plug" supposed to be in the cooling jacket?

Yeah, theyre actually called diverters ;)
 

kmagnuss

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Re: Is this "plug" supposed to be in the cooling jacket?

Haha...woops. So I ripped the outer half of the top one out before I realized it might actually belong there. Should I let it fly, or get the rest of it out and get a new one in there? I didn't see them on any parts breakdowns I've looked at.
 

emdsapmgr

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Re: Is this "plug" supposed to be in the cooling jacket?

Bombardier part number 322411. Found on the factory parts lists at: epc.brp.com. One per cyl.
 

HighTrim

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Re: Is this "plug" supposed to be in the cooling jacket?

Most definately replace it.
 

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Re: Is this "plug" supposed to be in the cooling jacket?

(Water Deflectors)
(J. Reeves)

Water deflectors are actually lengths of 3/8" outside diameter rubber hose, installed between the top cylinder and any cylinder beneath it, and also between the bottom cylinder and the block. The purpose of the deflectors is to have the water follow a definite path around the cylinder walls. Unfortunately the deflectors between the cylinders will at times swell sideways due to either a previous bad overheating problem, or simply due to age and salt corrosion. This causes a water flow restriction which usually allows the water to cool sufficently at low rpms but not at the higher rpms.

This hose material can be purchased reasonably at any automotive parts type store if you care to make your own, or you can purchase individual deflectors at any Evinrude/Johnson dealership at a somewhat higher cost.

Removing and installing them can be a hassle at times, but not always. I use a sharply pointed scribe with about 1/4" of the tip bent at a right angle whereas I can reach in, jab the tip sideways into the rubber, then yank it out. It's necessary to clean the seating surfaces where the ruber contacts the block with a small rat tail file to eliminate salt deposits etc. When installing the new rubber deflector, coat the deflector and the metal surfaces with WD40 which will act as lubrication to allow it to go in as easily as possible.

Make sure that you insert something into that deflector area before cutting and installing the deflectors if you make your own so that you will be certain that they are the right length and also that they will be seated properly. Usually a very small amount will be left extending about the block sealing area..... simply cut the excess off with a single edge razor blade.
 

kmagnuss

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Re: Is this "plug" supposed to be in the cooling jacket?

Wow thanks guys! If I could buy you all a beer I definitely would.
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: Is this "plug" supposed to be in the cooling jacket?

You do realize that the bottom piston is blown and you're looking at a major overhaul don't you? I assume that's why you removed the head in the first place but no mention was made of it.
 

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Re: Is this "plug" supposed to be in the cooling jacket?

Joe, this is actually the second thread regarding this engine, from kmagnus. The other post has other pictures which show that both pistons on that side are similarly damaged.
 

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Re: Is this "plug" supposed to be in the cooling jacket?

Joe, this is actually the second thread regarding this engine, from kmagnus. The other post has other pictures which show that both pistons on that side are similarly damaged.

I apprciate the update my friend.
 

kmagnuss

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Re: Is this "plug" supposed to be in the cooling jacket?

Lol... you think the bottom one is bad?

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Re: Is this "plug" supposed to be in the cooling jacket?

Yikes, what caused it?
 

kmagnuss

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Re: Is this "plug" supposed to be in the cooling jacket?

I wish I knew. I bought this boat last month knowing it most likely needed a rebuild due to low compression in one cylinder. I'm figuring either a broken piston ring or part of a spark plug did it. I'll find out this weekend when I pull the two offending pistons out and check all around the case for any missing parts or pieces that shouldn't be there.
Going to just throw some rings on it and hope it gets me through a season of boating so I can repower it next year... if that doesn't work then I guess Mr. Mastercard is gonna love me cause there's a 05' Etec 115 up the road with my name all over it.
 

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Re: Is this "plug" supposed to be in the cooling jacket?

Yeah, sorry to tell you but rings alone are not gonna cut it. Those pistons are shot from what I can see from the pics. What does the bore look like?
 

kmagnuss

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Re: Is this "plug" supposed to be in the cooling jacket?

surprisingly enough the bore is pretty good. You can feel a few faint lines, but nothing bad at all.
The engine actually ran pretty well even in this condition somehow... had 90 and 95 compression on these two cylinders. It just wouldn't idle for squat... partly I'm sure due to the other bank having 125 and 122 compression. Well if it doesn't work it's $70 lost and I gain a little more knowledge about outboards... I'm okay with that.
 

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Re: Is this "plug" supposed to be in the cooling jacket?

do yourself a big favour and get some more pistons and give it a chance.
once done it will be good again.
secondhand piston are cheap,as long as they are in good condition youl be fine.
But new ones are also not too expensive, and will last a long time if looked after.

as for the deflectors its terrible of evinrude/johnson not to make the casting right from new.
once they knew the engine needed the waterways to go in a certain path they should of incorporated it into the block casting.

But cheapness let them go to the soppy rubber hose deflectors.
They cause a lot of trouble and need replacing any time you have the heads off.

i wouldnt go to the trouble of fitting rings to bad pistons, while pistons are out just change them
youl have a nice engine when its back together, and not always wonder when its gonna go bang and
possibly shoot a rod through the block, or have another ing or piston chip destroy the block.


phill
 
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