Jeep recall

bigdee

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Who is affected by the recent recall by NTSB on Grand Cherokees? Opinions?
 

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No one is affected because there is no recall. That could change at any moment, though.
 

bigdee

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No one is affected because there is no recall. That could change at any moment, though.

Yeah I know the recall is pending I wondering what peoples thoughts were and if their fuel tanks had skid plates or not. My fuel tank is enclosed with a 1/8" thick and ribbed steel skid plate. I think they came as standard equipment on the L.E. Grand Cherokees. An off the record engineer at Chrysler suggested skid plates as a solution to satisfy NTSB if recall is forced on them.
 

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I traded in my '97 Grand Cherokee (with a tear in my eye) on Monday so I'm not affected either way. It's not clear that there is a fix for it and it's pretty much impossible to test any fix to see if it improves on a rate of 1 fatal incident per million registered vehicle years. Chrysler points out that the Jeeps more than met the safety standards in place at the time. All this is in Wimusky's link. I'm in danger of going on a rant so I'll stop now.
 

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Meh, my 16 year old drives a 98 and I'm not worried. OK - so 37 or so fires have happened out of 2.7 million vehicles. At least one of them involved getting rear ended by a semi at 65mph.
 

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Hey had bbq once, said PINTO on the hood, just glad I wasn't the main course.
 

bassman284

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Meh, my 16 year old drives a 98 and I'm not worried. OK - so 37 or so fires have happened out of 2.7 million vehicles. At least one of them involved getting rear ended by a semi at 65mph.

Well yeah, oldjeep. That's basically the same rig as my '97 and I always felt pretty confident in it to take care of me in a crash. The fact is, you have to give those Jeeps a pretty major whack in the rear to set them on fire. In one article one of Chrysler's objections to the "data" was that there was no way to tell if the occupant(s) of the Jeep had survived the initial impact to die in the fire. I mean these were BIG hits.

I spent 22 years of my life as an automotive engineer and as a result have a few strong opinions on matters like this, one being that NHTSA standards have a tendency to become moving targets. Saw one item where NHTSA said, "Well, you should try to exceed the minimum standards rather than just meet them." I say, "Great! If the minimum standard is not deemed sufficient, THEN CHANGE IT! You're changing stuff all the time anyway."

Sorry folks, this kind of stuff just sets me off. I have a B.S. in mathematics with a fair amount of work in statistics. I know you've all heard the saying "there are lies, damn lies and statistics." Kids, if you want statistical data manipulated, I know how and I guarantee you, this data was manipulated. The organization that filed this complaint was founded by Ralph Nader, 'nuf said. They clearly sifted data until they found a statistic that made Jeep look bad by comparison to the competition. I'm pretty sure they weren't necessarily targeting Jeep, they just wanted to make somebody look bad. If you look at fatalities for ALL rear end collisions without regard to fire, Jeep is actually better than the competition.

Sorry for the rant, but this just annoys me.
 

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Well yeah, oldjeep. That's basically the same rig as my '97 and I always felt pretty confident in it to take care of me in a crash. The fact is, you have to give those Jeeps a pretty major whack in the rear to set them on fire. In one article one of Chrysler's objections to the "data" was that there was no way to tell if the occupant(s) of the Jeep had survived the initial impact to die in the fire. I mean these were BIG hits.

I spent 22 years of my life as an automotive engineer and as a result have a few strong opinions on matters like this, one being that NHTSA standards have a tendency to become moving targets. Saw one item where NHTSA said, "Well, you should try to exceed the minimum standards rather than just meet them." I say, "Great! If the minimum standard is not deemed sufficient, THEN CHANGE IT! You're changing stuff all the time anyway."

Sorry folks, this kind of stuff just sets me off. I have a B.S. in mathematics with a fair amount of work in statistics. I know you've all heard the saying "there are lies, damn lies and statistics." Kids, if you want statistical data manipulated, I know how and I guarantee you, this data was manipulated. The organization that filed this complaint was founded by Ralph Nader, 'nuf said. They clearly sifted data until they found a statistic that made Jeep look bad by comparison to the competition. I'm pretty sure they weren't necessarily targeting Jeep, they just wanted to make somebody look bad. If you look at fatalities for ALL rear end collisions without regard to fire, Jeep is actually better than the competition.

Sorry for the rant, but this just annoys me.

I am taking your side on this. NTSB's own statistics show the the death rate per 1 million registered years is 57 for the Jeep GC BUT it is 119 per i million registered years for the Chevy Blazer. You are TWICE as likely to die in a Blazer than in a Jeep....The NTSB should be giving Chrysler an award!
 

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this is slightly off the subject but still about automotive safety standards.

In 2006, we started making instrument panels for Chrysler and Dodge minivans. For the Chryslers we also made a BUX version for sale in Europe. The BUX versions were mostly the same as the US expect some of the metal brackets in the reinforcement were replaced with plastic brackets in the knee impact areas.

One day a guy on out assembly line asked me why we had two different reinforcements. I explained that the all metal one ws for North American safety standards and the one with plastic parts was for European standards. He said, "Why not pick the best one and use it for everything?" I told him that it wasn't really a question of "best", it was a question of "different." The US version would not pass European standards and vice versa.

He seemed skeptical so I called up our Detroit program manager and asked why the BUX reinforcement had plastic parts. He said it was because the European crash standard assumed that everyone was wearing seat belts. The US version assumes that they are not.
 

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That's one of the problems with U.S. auto safety rules. Your metal vs. plastic parts and air bags - U. S. rules are for protecting unbelted occupants! Does anyone know which state doesn't require seat belts to be used by law? I think it's zero because the highway fuel tax reimbursement back to states is determined partly by having seat belt laws. So why are auto makers required to make and have consumers pay for equipment to protect law breakers. It's quite confusing to me.
 

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That's one of the problems with U.S. auto safety rules. Your metal vs. plastic parts and air bags - U. S. rules are for protecting unbelted occupants! Does anyone know which state doesn't require seat belts to be used by law?

There are mandatory safety belt laws in all states except New Hampshire. In some states, these laws cover front-seat occupants only, but belt laws in 28 states and the District of Columbia cover all rear-seat occupants, too.

Safety belt use laws
 

bigdee

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I think it is unfair that the NTSB does not look at the big picture. Overall, the JGC has half the total death rate in ALL types of accidents than the Blazer. By NTSB statistics the JGC has a lower death rate than most SUVs.
 
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