Jet BD-920N Metal lathe questions

gm280

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Hello everybody. I have come across a Jet BD-920N metal lathe and have a few question for those that may have experience with such. It is basically the exact same lathe as the Grizzly G4000 and Enco 9 x 20 lathe and Harbor Freight's version. I understand they all are from the same place...that being China manufactured. My find came with no extras, but the price was too good to refuse. Free!

I presently have the standard 4" auto-center three jaw chuck that comes with them all, but without both sets of jaws. It only has one set so I'm limited to only a few capabilities. I'm looking to replace it with an after-market 5" or 6" three jaw version. Would the 5" be better then the 6"? Reason I ask is the lathe is a 9" swing and I'm not sure a 6" would not interfere with the 9" clearance if the jaws were extended out too far. Any suggestions or comments?
 

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Okay...I see a few looked over this thread but no comments so far... Help direct me before I make the purchase. Both the 5" and 6" three jaw chuck heads are well over a $100 dollars each (lathe parts are not cheap just like boat parts) so I don't want to have to buy another after this purchase. I could use the money on other lathe items and boat repair materials... Help!!! :confused:
 

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Okay...I see a few looked over this thread but no comments so far... Help direct me before I make the purchase. Both the 5" and 6" three jaw chuck heads are well over a $100 dollars each (lathe parts are not cheap just like boat parts) so I don't want to have to buy another after this purchase. I could use the money on other lathe items and boat repair materials... Help!!! :confused:

You may have to wait and hope that a pro chimes in ....there seem to be a few of them on board.

My amateur perspective....(I run an Atlas 10" X 54") is that machine shop tools are a bit like computers....they are reasonably cheap, but once you start "needing" extra software the meter goes into overdrive....ka-ching.
The add-on tooling items are where the real $$$ start to pile up.

I would consider my lathe only moderately fitted-out, and I have at least 8-10 times the cost of the lathe in tooling items....major items have set me back ~ $3 Gs and that is not counting small items like boring bars, tool bits, etc. that are nonetheless an expense.

My milling machine is an even worse ratio.:facepalm:

You need to be very honest with yourself and clearly define your objectives and the class of work that you want to turn out.
Was it Clint Eastwood who said, "a man's got to know his limitations".

If you want to work to close tolerances (+/- a half thou), don't expect to be able to get really low price tooling. You need to buy quality to turn quality.

Don't even look at a chuck that will allow that for less than $200-....and that is the low range.
A 4-jaw chuck is probably the next priority. Some might say buy a 4-jaw before a 3-jaw.
Any chance your chuck has reversible jaws that give you the "two-set" range?

A decent set of collets (3C probably) with drawbar and ancillaries would be next.

For threading, a set of change gears....etc. etc.

It can spin out of control pretty fa$t. :)

If you just want to play around....do a few rough repairs....+/- 1/128" or so....that kind of thing, there are lots of cheap sources that will allow that.......just be prepared to outgrow the lesser quality at some point.

I was fortunate to have had a master machinist as a pal and mentor.... and his advice was always spend as much as you can on something you need....try to delay buying something you only "want" until you need it....the extra time may allow you to upgrade.

I am assuming you are a beginner...since you are asking the question.
The pros can compensate for a lot of equipment shortcomings. I've never been able to do that well enough.

Expect a few more opinions now that there is one on file....there will be disagreement on my calling +/- a half thou "close tolerance work". They can probably do that while smoking a pipe and reading the newspaper....;)
And there'll be at least one expert who will laugh at +/- 1/128 on ANY lathe.... "I could do better than that with a drill press and a file".

On an internet forum we're ALL experts. :D
 

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Thanks MR Frank for your assessment of my issue. The three jaw 4" chuck that came with the lathe, is not a reverse jaw type. It actually has two sets from the factory. However, I only have one set. I looked for the other set but honestly I can purchase a nicer better 5" three jaw chuck then the cost of the second set of factory jaws. The chuck I'm looking at has a run-out of .0003" max. I know that isn't great but for general shop usage I can use that limitation now. And it does have reversible jaws... My question is, with a 9" over bed limit, would a 5" chuck be better then a 6". I'd like to go with the 6" but thinking the jaw extensions could be limited by the 9" measurement. And you are very correct about the tooling costs. WOW they get expensive really quick too... Again thanks for your comments...
 

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Keep your eyes on ebay and also check craigslist. I have found many tools and the bargains are out there.
 

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Hello GM280.
I have...I hate to admit...a BV-920 Chinese lathe. I like it for small work, and the major drawbacks are plastic reduction gearing and tolerances. But that is the price to pay for cheap lathes. To answer your question, I decided to look at the 3 jaw quick adjustment with the jaws all the way out. Clearance to the bed was 2-1/4 to the bed. Having a larger chuck would still limit what you could swing because of how far out you could move the chuck jaws. I have the 4 jaw chuck also, but without having the 5 or 6 inch chuck I would not know how much swing there would be. I do not know if you could get the answers you are looking for. You may have to look at a lathe forum. Having a lathe even if it is Chinese is better than none. Good luck on your search.
 

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Thanks MR Frank for your assessment of my issue. The three jaw 4" chuck that came with the lathe, is not a reverse jaw type. It actually has two sets from the factory. However, I only have one set. I looked for the other set but honestly I can purchase a nicer better 5" three jaw chuck then the cost of the second set of factory jaws. The chuck I'm looking at has a run-out of .0003" max. I know that isn't great but for general shop usage I can use that limitation now. And it does have reversible jaws... My question is, with a 9" over bed limit, would a 5" chuck be better then a 6". I'd like to go with the 6" but thinking the jaw extensions could be limited by the 9" measurement. And you are very correct about the tooling costs. WOW they get expensive really quick too... Again thanks for your comments...

Well, the pros can chime in...but 3 tenths runout is fine in my world...as long as you are measuring off the C/L and not just on the chuck body.

So the question I'd ask myself at this point is what are you going to be doing that exceeds the capabilities of that chuck....BUT....can be done by a 5 or 6 inch chuck?

Arrrrgggh....just realised you are talking about the potential new chuck.

Have you measured the actual capacity of your current chuck and it's runout?

As far as what you can spin....the 6" is probably OK, but the incremental gain over a 5" is not all that much in practice....IME.
 

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Hello GM280.
I have...I hate to admit...a BV-920 Chinese lathe. I like it for small work, and the major drawbacks are plastic reduction gearing and tolerances. But that is the price to pay for cheap lathes. To answer your question, I decided to look at the 3 jaw quick adjustment with the jaws all the way out. Clearance to the bed was 2-1/4 to the bed. Having a larger chuck would still limit what you could swing because of how far out you could move the chuck jaws. I have the 4 jaw chuck also, but without having the 5 or 6 inch chuck I would not know how much swing there would be. I do not know if you could get the answers you are looking for. You may have to look at a lathe forum. Having a lathe even if it is Chinese is better than none. Good luck on your search.

Cofe, your BV-920 sound like what I have, but mine has a Jet BD-920N label on it in a few places. The plastic gear you are talking about is no longer offered. My plastic gear when I got the lathe was stripped of most of the teeth. So I purchased another from Grizzle Tools and they even state that the plastic gear is obsolete now. But the new gear is the exact same only made of machined steel. Works great too. However that gear only comes into play for threading and auto feeding. It was originally make of plastic so it would strip instead of breaking a steel tooth gear while auto feeding or threading. So smaller cuts are needed to protect that gear. I don't have all the gear change sets yet either, but most of them are used for metric threading. SAE threading is pretty much covered with the supplied set. Haven't made a final decision yet, but I am now leaning towards the 5" auto chuck head... Still pretty expensive though.
 

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Mr. Frank, I can live with .0003" myself. I've already made some simple turned items off the lathe and I like using it. Nothing like your nicer setup, but for free, I had to take it. I also have a complete wood lathe and most every type free standing wood working power tool one could want. After I get the new chuck head for this metal lathe, I have to have a new quick change cross slide setup. I'm looking at AXA for that option. Again there are two option with that setup as well. A button type and the wedge type. It is stated more people like the wedge type over the button, but like usual, the wedge type is more expensive...of course! With this metal lathe and a setup milling operation, it is endless on what a person can make...
 

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The plastic gear you are talking about is no longer offered. My plastic gear when I got the lathe was stripped of most of the teeth. So I purchased another from Grizzle Tools and they even state that the plastic gear is obsolete now.

I did not know that they now offer a steel gear. Thanks for letting me know, now my Chine lathe just got better. Also, parts for our lathes can be found at harbor freight.
 

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Mr. Frank, I can live with .0003" myself. I've already made some simple turned items off the lathe and I like using it. Nothing like your nicer setup, but for free, I had to take it. .
It's Tim. Mr. Frank is my Dad. :D
.... I can live with .0003" myself. I've already made some simple turned items off the lathe and I like using it.
How and where are you measuring?

Nothing like your nicer setup, but for free, I had to take it. .
I got the lathe for cheap...as I said it's the "toys" that just "must" have that add up.... ;)

With this metal lathe and a setup milling operation, it is endless on what a person can make...

There are limits....but not many.
Good luck and have fun!
 

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First off it is actually .0003 (3 thousandth if an inch) Total indicator readout (TIR), that's beyond fantastic, as the new Buck and Bison chucks only advertise .0005 repeatability. As for your chuck choice I'd opt for a 6 jaw floating chuck like this. Pricy but worth every penny as far as versatility and repeatability.
 

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First off it is actually .0003 (3 thousandth if an inch) Total indicator readout (TIR), that's beyond fantastic, as the new Buck and Bison chucks only advertise .0005 repeatability. As for your chuck choice I'd opt for a 6 jaw floating chuck like this. Pricy but worth every penny as far as versatility and repeatability.

Thanks for the input. The chuck I currently am looking at is advertised with .0003 TIR, but we all know about how such can be in the real world. I'd love to have a Bison 6" three jaw chuck, but $1000 dollars is way out of my price range... So I have to get a lot cheaper one I can find to hopefully suit my needs. The little 4" that came with the lathe is okay but still a beginner so I don't know. I need one that gives me both inter and outer clamping capabilities anyways.
 

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With six jaws you can take out 2 opposing jaws and hold and turn square stock.
 

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With six jaws you can take out 2 opposing jaws and hold and turn square stock.

I do see what you mean. I was going to purchase an independent 4 jaw chuck later on for that option. I'll have to re-evaluate the 6 jaw.

OH, and before I forget it, I posted some wrong information on the three jaw auto chuck I was looking at. It isn't .0003" TIR, it is .003" TIR. A huge difference. But most I see are in that range so six of one half dozen another. And the auto chuck I'm looking at is a Japan manufactured Shars chuck, but most chucks I see are from Japan or China. To get a really nice American built auto chuck, I'd have to pay near ten time that price. I'm sure it would be a lot more precise, but then again it can only be as precise as the spindle feed and bearing setup. And who knows how good that is on this old lathe. Still I'm excited to have gotten it and now I see so many neat things I can do that I never would have thought before...

Thanks for all the input and advice... I do appreciate it!:)
 
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gm, for what it's worth .003 TIR would not be noticeable to naked eye. For reference the average piece of paper is .004 to .006 thick. As for how you plan to use the lathe, I'm sure it will be more than close enough. There is a world of difference between making one or 2 off parts you need and running production type quantities. Any way good luck and have fun.
 
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