Johnson J150VXSS bangs every 10 to 20 seconds while underway

anderso

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I have a 2000 Johnson 150 J150VXSS
. For the past year or so as I was accelerating to come up to plane there would be a solid bang northside, like someone struck the transom with a lump hammer, and then it wouldn't happen again until the next time I started up from a stop. Yesterday this bang started to happen repeatedly and for a while every 10 to 20 seconds, you can feel the bang in the floorboards, it does appear to be coming from the outboard.
Has anyone had a similar experience Could the clutch dog be popping out on me?
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: Johnson J150VXSS bangs every 10 to 20 seconds while underway

(Jumping Out Of Gear - Manual Type)
(J. Reeves)

This pertains to lower units on all OMC manual shift outboard engines, or any OMC engine with lower units defined as a Shift Assist or a Hydro Electric Shift unit which incorporates a "Shifter Clutch Dog".

Within the lower unit, splined to the prop shaft is what is most often referred to as a clutch dog, hereafter simply called dog. The dog has at least two lobes protruding from it on both ends, facing both forward and reverse gear. The forward and reverse gears also have lobes built into them near their center area. When the engine is running, in neutral, the gears are spinning constantly via the driveshaft being connected directly to the powerhead crankshaft, but the propeller does not turn due to the fact that the dog is centered between the two gears, and the dog lobes are not touching either of the gear lobes.

When the unit is put into either gear, shift linkages force the dog (and its lobes of course) to engage the lobes of the gear. The lobes of the spinning gear grab the lobes of the dog, and since the dog is splined to the prop shaft, the propeller turns.

The lobes of the dog and gears are precisely machined, most with right angled edges that could be installed in either direction, and some with angles slightly varied that must be installed in one direction only (one end only must face the propeller). Dogs that can be installed in one direction only, if reversed, even if the dog and both gears were new.... would jump out of gear almost immediately. Keep in mind that the lobes are precisely machined with sharp angles!

Due to improper adjustment or worn shift linkages, but usually due to improper slow shifting, those precisely machined sharp edges of the lobes become slightly rounded. Now, with those lobes rounded, as the rpms increase, the pressure of the gear lobes upon the dog lobes increases to a point whereas they are forced apart (jumping out of gear), and due (usually) to the shift cable keeping tension on the engines shift linkages..... the unit is forced back into gear giving one the sensation that the engine has hit something, and the cycle continues.

Some boaters with manual shift engines have the mistaken belief that shifting slowly is taking it easy on all of the shifting components..... Wrong! Shifting slowly allows those precisely machined sharp edges of the dog and gears to click, clank, bang, slam against each other many times before they are finally forced into alignment with each other..... and this is what rounds those edges off! The proper way to shift is to snap the unit into gear as quickly as possible.
 

anderso

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Re: Johnson J150VXSS bangs every 10 to 20 seconds while underway

Thank you that makes a lot of sense.
Are there any adjustments with the shift linkage that would be worth trying before polling the lower unit.?
With the repair for a worn dog be a complete rebuild with replacement of the dog and forward your?
Could I have created this problem by getting the shift rod out of adjustment during water pump replacements?
Thanks again for your interest and comments.
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: Johnson J150VXSS bangs every 10 to 20 seconds while underway

1 - Are there any adjustments with the shift linkage that would be worth trying before polling the lower unit?

2 - With the repair for a worn dog be a complete rebuild with replacement of the dog and forward your (gear?)?

3 - Could I have created this problem by getting the shift rod out of adjustment during water pump replacements?

1 - There are no adjustment you could make.

2 - The lower unit would be torn down completely. A experienced conscientious technician would miss nothing.

3 - Yes, if that critical adjustment was changed, that would do it.
 

anderso

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Re: Johnson J150VXSS bangs every 10 to 20 seconds while underway

I pulled the lower unit off made my best guess at the neutral position on the shift shaft, and measured up to the center of the whole from the top of the lower unit casting, two 26 1/4 inches. Reinstalled the lower unit and took it out for a run. Apparently I over adjusted, the boat ran great forward but would not completely disengage for a couple minutes after stopping and the dog would pop out several times when the boat was put in reverse. I've pulled the boat, pulled off the lower unit, turned the shift shaft out two more turns and reinstalled. I'll give her another try tomorrow see how it goes.
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: Johnson J150VXSS bangs every 10 to 20 seconds while underway

Made a best guess at neutral??

With the lower unit off, finding neutral is simply a matter of having the shift rod click into a position between forward and reverse. At that point, the propeller should spin easily.

The measurement is critical.... find out exactly what it is supposed to be, have the unit in neutral and find the measurement from the top surface of the lower unit to the center of the shift rod hole. One turn out of adjustment will present a problem.

Any member have that measurement handy? 2000 150hp Johnson (J150VXSS)
 
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