Kicker - pros and cons

62_Kiwi

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I recently added a 8hp 2-stroke kicker to my 19' F/G CC boat and have since used it on several boat trips. I now realise that there are a number of issues, pros and cons to having a kicker and thought that listing these might be useful to anyone considering adding a kicker to their boat.<br /><br />The kicker I'm using is a 1988 Tohatsu 8hp 2 stroke which I bought through the local "Trade & Exchange" for NZ$650 = US$275. My local boat shop fitted the auxilary bracket for an all-up cost of NZ$150 = US$65. The main motor is an Evinrude V4 115hp. The kicker will push the boat at 5 knots when fully loaded and 4 adults on board, whereas the main motor reaches 35 to 40 knots. I liked the Tohatsu as a kicker because of it's light weight (under 60lbs), it's reliability and it's well supported by my local boat dealers. So far the engine has performed well and started first pull, every time.<br /><br />The pros are as follows (and pretty much what you'd expect)...<br /><br />1. I have a backup motor in case my main one fails for whatever reason. There are many possible causes of motor failure, some of them are hard to guard against. I find that I'm now not as concerned about the possibility of engine failure when out on the water.<br /><br />2. Better (safer) operation in very shallow water. I found this useful the other day when launching at low tide on minimal water depth. The kicker doesn't need as much depth. It's also a less expensive motor to risk damaging on the bottom.<br /><br />3. Trolling. The kicker is a lot quieter than the main engine and you can also operate it at relatively high revs for trolling - so as well as not scaring away the fish, you don't carbon up your motor.<br /><br />The cons, while not major, are these...<br /><br />1. Towing the boat on the trailer - you notice the extra weight on the transom. This causes the boat to tend to swing from side to side a little more than previously. The balance of the boat & trailer is now different - lighter at the front because of being heavier at the back. An adjustment to the boat's position on the trailer was required to shift the centre of gravity.<br /><br />2. The extra weight on the transom also changes the balance of the boat on the water. Weight at the back is obviously not too useful when you're trying to do a quick start and your bow goes up in the air. Also, it's weight is on one side only (the left on mine), which is slightly noticable. I'm now used to this and have resisted the temptation to try the boat without the kicker... <br /><br />3. Fuel is a hassle on my boat because my main engine is a 2 stroke with a seperate VRO oil tank - so I don't normally have pre-mix 2 stroke fuel on board. I have to have a separate small tank for the kicker with pre-mixed 2 stroke fuel. My solution is to only mix up a minimal amount of 2 stroke to leave in it's tank and keep another tank of unmixed in the boat as well as a pack of 2 stroke oil. That way I can use these in whichever motor needs it and means I also have spare fuel (& oil) on board for the main motor.<br /><br />4. The kicker is tiller controlled, so it's a bit more difficult to see where you're going from the back of the CC boat. It's more difficult to manouvre in and out of boat ramp areas than when on the main motor. Still, for that purpose it's just a backup so that's OK (better than nothing).<br /><br />5. I would hate to have to rely on the kicker in rough seas... It's fine in calmer waters - but rough seas would cause the boat to lift up and down at the stern so much that the leg of the kicker would at times lift well out of the water. Also the power of the kicker would probably not be enough to hold course in high swells...<br /><br />6. It's an expensive decoration. Most of the time it doesn't get used - it just sits there. When you've just spent a lot of money buying one, you quickly realise you're not going to see much action for your cash.<br /><br />7. There is extra hassle. After use in sea water you've got to flush it out with muffs, the same way as your main motor. You have to make sure you run the motor regularly (as you need to do with all petrol motors) and that the gas doesn't go stale. The kicker also needs it's regular servicing just like any other outboard. This is all extra hassle and responsibility.<br /><br />8. The cost. Of course it's extra money to spend and you might not ever need it. You do of course buy some extra peace of mind - just like an insurance policy.<br /><br />Conclusion...<br /><br />Overall, I'm glad I added the kicker. I think the peace of mind and extra safety is worth the cost and extra hassle - even if my main outboard never fails. The other uses like shallow water and trolling also add to the equation...
 

Kuni

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Re: Kicker - pros and cons

the only down thing is if your auxilary is sitting in the salt water and is not used it still needs to be flushed when you get home the salt surging up and down in the leg will still cause corrosion (this is a big killer of auxilary motors).<br />still they are good piece of mind .
 

bigbluebirdy

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Re: Kicker - pros and cons

Kiwi,<br />I agree with your conclusion entirely. I have a 15hp Mercury 2-stroke as a kicker/backup to my Mercury Black Max 150hp on my 20ft. Wellcraft Sport. I use it for the same reasons you listed... great in shallows, trolling, and as an emergency backup, etc. It can be a pain at times, but I bet there are many people out there who wished they had one when that day comes that your main motor won't start. As far as steering from the back of the boat, have you considered purchasing a steering rod connector that allows you to link the two motors and steer with the wheel? That's what I use. You can't use it in shallows, but it is great for trolling, as the main motor helps act as a rudder. The one problem I seem to have is in rougher waters it tends to bounce up and down when in the locked up position. Bad for the bracket and the transom. I've thought about different things to try to stop this movement but have yet to do anything about it. Anybody out there had this problem and have a solution?<br /><br />Chris
 

FinFever

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Re: Kicker - pros and cons

Kiwi,<br />I'm in the process of adding a kicker and I have the same problem that you addressed about the fuel set-up. I have been told by a local mechanic that there is a system available from OMC and Mercury that basically consists of a reservoir and a vaccum set-up that will auto mix the fuel. I'm sure there are some guys on this board that can chime in and explain it better than I can,if not contact your local dealer and ask them.<br /><br />As for kicker steering sytstem, I think there are several types available through BassPro and Cabelas. <br /><br />Just my two cents. <br /><br />Paul
 

Salty Dog

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Re: Kicker - pros and cons

I am about to ad a 4 stroke Honda as a kicker on my 25 mako. My main engine is oil injected so the Honda will run right of my boats main tanks. The question the I have is one side better than the other to mount the kicker on. I am also adding a small swim platform with a ladder. Most kickers are on the port side of the boat. Is there a reason for this?
 

bigbluebirdy

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Re: Kicker - pros and cons

Not sure if there's any real reason for the port side placement, but my wheel is on the starboard (dual console walkthrough) so the 70lbs. of the kicker helps to balance out my 180lbs a little.<br /><br />Chris
 

Forktail

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Re: Kicker - pros and cons

Kickers are usually mounted on the port side to avoid the controls, cables, and steering linkages which normally run on the starboard side of the boat. This position also offsets the helm/captian weight on the starboard side. Another factor is the tiller arm itself and how it positions you in the boat for vision, steering, and safety. All tiller handles are on the port side of the motor, and are usually intended for left hand grab. Mounting the motor on the starboard side forces the operator to the gunnel. Mounting the motor on the port side forces the operator to a safer position in the center of the boat.<br /><br />Some things to think about on the "cons"...<br /><br />1. You can move the trailer axle back, or the winch stop forward to re-balance trailering weight. It sounds like your trailer was off already since only 60 lbs in the rear caused swaying. I like 10-12% of the weight on the hitch.<br /><br />2. Any added weight and its location will affect control of your boat. Usually (by experience) weight can be shifted to compensate. Passengers, fuel, tackle boxes, fish boxes/coolers, anchors, ect. Most commonly, heavy batteries are placed on the opposite side of the kicker for counter balance. It shouldn't be that hard to offset the 60 lbs on a 19'er.<br /><br />3. Two-stroke fuel is a pain. I've seen people premix their large outboard fuel (previously oil injected) just so they can run their kicker off the same tank! Only solution here is a 4-stroke or an added tank. Use the extra tank to offset your weight.<br /><br />4-8. Kickers are generally added to larger boats for slow trolling needs. Twin main power from the helm is the only way to ensure safe maneuvering, adequate power in rough seas, and peace of mind. Large outboards with trim/tilt can run in extremely shallow water. Kickers can now be bought with extra long 25" shafts which eliminate cavitation in rough water. Some come with quick-connect flushing systems too.<br /><br />Good points Kiwi. The only reason I use kickers is for fishing/trolling. Since you can't fit three outboard on most transoms, the kickers end up being back up too. :)
 

62_Kiwi

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Re: Kicker - pros and cons

Thanks to everyone that added their thoughts and further information on this subject.<br /><br />Kuni - It's great to see we now have a Kiwi marine mechanic on board.<br /><br />BBB - Good idea about the steering rod connector. I'll look into that.<br /><br />FinFever - I've never heard of that auto fuel mixing system. I wonder if anyone can shed more light on that ?<br /><br />Forktail - Thanks for adding lots of good info on kickers. I hadn't thought of moving the axle etc back on the trailer, but looks easy on mine since it's only held to the frame by u-bolts.
 

NitroBoy543

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Re: Kicker - pros and cons

i was thinking about using my OLLLDD 1955 7.5 evinrude on my grandpas boat as a kicker, but i might try and get a row boat and use it there.. either way, i got a good deal on the engine, someone wass throwing it out LOL it just needed plugs.. idots
 
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