Lake Tahoe altitude-related horsepower loss

shortbus90

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Hello All,

After a decade-long boatless interval, I am looking to get back into boating. Just occasional days out on the water, not significant usage. I am presently looking for a old (ie, cheap) runabout. Closed bow, 16-20'. I/O because I plan to use the boat on Lake Tahoe.

I've got a couple different prospects, solid boats, but with different powerplants. One boat is a 1972 16' Delta with a 2.5L 4cylinder GM/Mercruiser; the other is a 1972 Fiberform 19' with a Ford 302/Mercruiser 888. I'm not certain on the HP rating for the 4 cylinder, but the 302 is rated at 188hp. Both boats have been operated in the Sacramento delta, which is, of course, sea level. For my use, operation will be at altitudes generally ranging from about 3,500' (the closest lake to my home in the Sierra foothills) to Lake Tahoe (approx 6,100' elevation).

I am familiar with the altitude-related losses resulting during operation at high elevations. One of the realities is that although jetting and other tricks can get the motor to operate satisfactorily, a loss of horsepower is unavoidable. There is just no way around this. Even the computer-controlled EFI engine in my jeep, although it never misses a beat, is noticeably down on power at higher elevations.

My question: should I be limiting my search to boats with higher HP to begin with (in other words, V8s rather than 4cylinders)? My thinking is that if I have more HP to begin with, this might compensate for the inevitable loss of HP at altitude. I like the 4 cylinder Delta, burning less gas would be nice and absolute top speed is not a concern, but I'd hate to buy the Delta, drag it up to Tahoe and then find it won't even get on a plane.

Any advice/thoughts appreciated. Thanks!
 

fishrdan

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Re: Lake Tahoe altitude-related horsepower loss

I'd hate to buy the Delta, drag it up to Tahoe and then find it won't even get on a plane.

That's a good possibility. And even with a lot of work to make it run at high altitude, it would still be marginal at best.

I would opt for the V8, or at least an 6 cyl.
 

John_S

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Re: Lake Tahoe altitude-related horsepower loss

You will need to drop about 4" prop pitch to compensate for the power loss. Assuming the used boat you buy is able to reach its wot rpm range at the lower elevation.
 

Tahorover

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Re: Lake Tahoe altitude-related horsepower loss

Typical Tahoe loss in HP is 16-18% Tahoe is large lake at 22 miles long and 12 miles wide,at 6225'. A slow boat is not much fun. I have been boating on Tahoe for 38 years and all the boats in the family fleet (8) have the largest engine available. Anything smaller than 18' can be
dangerous and will keep you from experiencing the whole lake

Read up on Tahoe Mussel Inspections, their a real PITA.
 

shortbus90

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Re: Lake Tahoe altitude-related horsepower loss

Thank you everyone for the insights. Much as I like the 4 cylinder Delta boat because its the best kept of the boats I've looked at (lots of derelicts out there in the price range I've imposed on myself) it looks like the best way to avoid eventual disappointment is to go with a V8.

Most of the boats I've looked at have been 70s and early 80s. The majority with 140hp 4 cylinders. Not because I'm looking for a 4, just that that seems most common. But I may have a line on a 1978 350 Mercruiser. Haven't looked at it yet, so only limited information at this moment. One of the unknowns is the HP rating. Does anyone know what the output of a 350 Mercruiser circa 1978 is likely to be? Thanks.
 

Volphin

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Re: Lake Tahoe altitude-related horsepower loss

Welcome aboard! I think that the 350 was 260HP.
You could plumb in a supplemental N20 system to compensate for the elevation. It won't take much.

V
 

HT32BSX115

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Re: Lake Tahoe altitude-related horsepower loss

I took my Four Winns 211 Liberator to Tahoe a couple of years ago. I normally run with 26p props (1.81:1 Bravo III) I put 24p props on it for trip and had 8 people (3 100lb dogs too) in my boat.

It actually planed!! I was amazed. Get the biggest engine you can afford!
 

shortbus90

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Re: Lake Tahoe altitude-related horsepower loss

I had a then-current small Scarab in the mid-80s. 22' I think. Single Mercruiser 350 and, yes, I recall it was rated at 260hp. On the Hudson River (sea level of course), in light chop, that Scarab would reach the upper 60s.

With my present cheap-runabout search, top speed is not a target parameter. A max of 35 or so would be ok with me. Still, it'd be nicer if that speed wasn't attained at a screaming WOT.

Ok, you've convinced me. I'll pass on the 4 cyl Delta for now and go look at the '78 boat with the Merc 350 in it. Thanks to everyone for their advice and suggestions!

PS: I think NOS or supercharging is a more radical solution than I want to consider. Ha!
 

Tahorover

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Re: Lake Tahoe altitude-related horsepower loss

Welcome aboard! I think that the 350 was 260HP.
You could plumb in a supplemental N20 system to compensate for the elevation. It won't take much.

V
Good luck finding one that is USCG approved!
 

fishrdan

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Re: Lake Tahoe altitude-related horsepower loss

Ok, you've convinced me. I'll pass on the 4 cyl Delta

Good decision! I have a 140HP Mercruiser in a 18'er and taking it up above 6000' is a chore (jets, timing, prop) and it still doesn't have good power, minimal at best...
 

Volphin

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Re: Lake Tahoe altitude-related horsepower loss

Good luck finding one that is USCG approved!

Um, custom work doesn't have to be for personal pleasure craft. HOWEVER, N2O is simply brought to the base of the carb through a port and plumbed with solid, double flared pipe off the metering valve. BTW it is not flammable at room temperature. It is stable and sure way to compensate for alt sickness. LOL Hey, it's safe for your dentist office. ;)

I'm not suggesting a showy high pressure injection system (bad idea and they run HOT). Just a practical one to compensate for the loss. I'm personally a fan of all throttle and no bottle, FWIW.

V
 
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