Lawyer

[SpinnerBait_Nut]

Are there any lawyers on the forum? I could use some advise on a small matter if there is. Just e-mail me if you don't care. grizzlybear310@peoplepc.com Thanks.

 

[sloopy]

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I think 12 footer is one..

 

[SpinnerBait_Nut]

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Thanks Sloop.

 

[naughtybynature]

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i'm not a lawyer but i can lie and cheat like the best of them! i can be a good politician as well. anyone needing my services are welcome to contact me. payment for said services are only acceped in the form of beer. i look forward to serving you. (your beer that is)

 

[Beaux]

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spinner-<br />my wife and brother are lawyers. Depending on what you need, maybe I can get you soem free help. Let me know by either posting whats going on here or shoot me an email . Jbeaux2000@aol.com Good luck

 

[SpinnerBait_Nut]

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Hey Beaux, I sent you a e-mail, did you get it?

 

[Beaux]

Re: Lawyer

Yep, you got mail.... went out to dinner. just got it and after some quick "research" sent you a reply. Hope that helps...<br /><br />as far as what I would do, I would make every effort to get him to complete the deal (pick up vehicle). Otherwise, I would wait for him to take action. Right now, you are in the drivers seat as you have all the cards ($$$/vehicle). From what I can get from my "help", you seem to have a strong legal backing if everything you say is true. Good luck spinner... I hope the info helped. Going fishing a 4:30 this coming morning so I am going to hit the sack. again, good luck<br /> Beaux

 

[SpinnerBait_Nut]

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This is one of many e-mails I got saved. Read it and see what you think.<br />Thats all fine and good, but where is this client located here in the<br />states?<br />You know it is one thing to buy something, but another to travel a 1000<br />miles to look at it.<br />----- Original Message -----<br />From: eletu ogabi<br />To: grizzlybear310@peoplepc.com<br />Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 1:15 AM<br />Subject: Re: Ranger 6X6<br /><br />hello<br />Thanks for your response.I hope it will be nice doing business with, I have<br />a client in the US who is owing me $9,850 so all I need do is instruct him<br />that he should send you a bank cashiers check for $9,850 to you and you<br />deduct the cost ofthe bike then you will have to send me my balance to me<br />via western union money transfer so that I can have the balance i am<br />presently in the west Africa supervicing a project i financed recently This<br />is about the easiest way I can get your funds to you<br />now.cos if send a check from over here it would take about 30 days to clear<br />whereas a check sent from within the US would clear within 3-4 days. And i<br />need it for my son xmas present If this is okay by you, please provide me<br />your name address and telephone so that when I contact my client, he<br />will be able to make arrangement for the payment and inspection<br />I am waiting for your response asap<br />Regards<br />eletu<br /><br />----- Original Message -----<br />From: "Lester"<br />Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 07:54:21 -0800<br />To:<br />Subject: Ranger 6X6<br /><br />I saw your ad and I am interested to pay you us$ 6550 let me know if it is<br />okay<br />regards<br /><br />Yea, but where are you located at?<br />Have a great day.<br />Lester

 

[Scoop]

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SBN, I would be careful. If it is a Chasier's check, then supposedly it should be ok and once it is in your hands, then you are assured the money. I would check with your bank manager to make sure that is the case. If they ever suggest that they put the money in Escrow, walk away. There is a current scam where they write a check to escrow. Because it does take weeks to clear from overseas, the money really isn't yours until it clears even if the teller says it is. The check then bounves and the person is out the money. <br /><br />Use caution, this sounds like exactly the same scam. The scam goes like this.<br /><br />I agree to buy something from you. I write a check for $10,000 and put it in an escrow account in your name. You draw out $3,000 and send it to me via wire transfer. 3 weeks later the escrow check bounces and you owe the bank $3,000 immediately.<br /><br />Sounds too familiar to me.

 

[SlowlySinking]

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Hi Spinner_bait Nut, hold the presses, these scams are all over the web, keep your money safe and don't send these guys your bank account number or they will empty it. Do a web search on Nigeria 419 Scam, I get 2-3 from those scammers every week, That one works the same way at this one, they make it sound like you get $$$$$$$ sometimes 6-10 mil for being a nice guy, forgetaboutit, you will LOSE. I just got one from some lottery in the Netherlands, another scam, always remember, "if it sounds too good to be true it probably is". Nobody gives away money, period.....

 

[SpinnerBait_Nut]

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OK, let me straighten this out the best I can.<br />I was sent a cashiers check that was drawn on a bank that has a branch in my hometown. I took it to them and had them check it out before I even signed it and they said it was authentic and valid so I signed it and cashed it at that bank. I then sent him the balance that was left after the price of the Ranger was deducted. You would have to see all the e-mails to fully understand, but according to the bank the check was drawn on, it can not have a stop payment or any such stuff done to it cause I talked to the bank yesterday and ask them this and they said no it was a regular cashiers check.<br />I think that this is some guy that thought he may have got ahold of a dumb american that would be so kind as to send him his money back because of some "emergency", as in, his friends dad died and the hospital would not release the body till his bill was paid. Now come on, how stupid does he think I am. We agreed to a deal and I carried out my end of it and now he wants to back out and to get his money back.<br />I think it is one of them money scams, but on a smaller scale.<br />Only I hold all the cards right now. I got my money for the Ranger, and still have the Ranger.<br />I told him to give me one day notice before pickup and also told him that the fbi might be interested in his name. That was 2 days ago and have not heard anything from him since so I will just wait and see. It's his move now.

 

[Scoop]

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Good point SBN. You have the money and the Ranger. It is definitely his move. Good luck.

 

[Hooty]

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Now that would be a real coup to scam the scammer!<br /><br />c/6<br /><br />Hooty

 

[Fishbusters]

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I don't see the scam here. You got sent more than you were asking for a truck you cashed the check which means the bank cleared it as it was a cashers check (a check written by the bank not a person the bank is actually the one that covered the check all the other person did was give the bank the money before the bank would write it if you ask me the safest form of check to take). You then sent the guy that was paying you for the truck what was over the agreed upon amount leaving you with all the money you were asking for/needed to be paid. So far I think I have this correct you have all the money in cash or already in your bank account they guy had to pay for what you were selling. Sounds good so far you have the money and he got his change fair enough deal all the way around. I assume there is a bill of sale on the vehicle and it is dated. If I am correct in this then unless you state has a provision allowing for a refund on the purchase price of a vehicle if the buyer is unsatisfied and he requested a refund of the full amount of the purchase price before his time ran out where is the problem? You got the money all he needs to do is pick up the vehicle unless you agreed to deliver it. Is the guy asking for more money back that he was supposed to get or something? I can usually spot a scam and so far this looks like a legit business deal kind of like Bob owing you $50 and Stan owes him $100 and all he has is a $100 bill. Stan gives you the $100 bill and you give Bob a $50 everybody gets paid in the long run just like if Stan Gave the $100 to Bill and Bill had to go get change so he came back tomorrow and gave you your $50. Of course there could be more to this story than we know but from the facts as reported it looks like everything is square and level.

 

[Fishbusters]

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BTW if the guy is wanting what he paid you back and you feel he has a reason to need it and he gives you back any bill of sale or whatever so that the ranger is now yours again it's up to you whether you want to do it or not but make sure you still own the ranger (no title signed over no bill of sale before you give him back just what he paid. Of course barring a law in your state that says in any motor vehicle transaction the buyer has however much time to return it to the original seller and ask for a refund of the selling price then I think legally all you need to do is ask the guy when he is picking up the truck. I also think that if he has not picked it up in a reasonable amount of time you can charge storage fees but you would have to check on that. What I think would be best is check with your state's Department of Motor Vehicles and see what rules and regulations cover the sale of a privately owned motor vehicle and make sure you actually don't have to refund anything then you can tell the guy hey I have your truck here when are you coming?

 

[SpinnerBait_Nut]

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I don't know if it makes any difference, but it is not a truck it is this.

<br />There is no bill of sale as such, just something I have written up to give to him when the machine is picked up.<br />I have still gotten no response from him since my last post.<br />Peterfishbuster, it just seems odd to me that he would pick his money up at 8:00pm in the evening, and at 8:30pm, I get an e-mail from him saying he needs all the money sent to him again by western union cause a friends relative has died in the hospital and they will not release his body till his bill is paid.<br />I don't know about other countries (Nigeria), but here at home it don't matter, you get the body and worry about the hospital bill later.<br />That was the point I was making.

 

[upstate]

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you will find that the check is bogus...BEWARE!<br />dont ya think they can make a fake check?

 

[OLFISHNFART]

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Well upstate, I think he said something to the effect that he took the check to the bank which it was drawn on and they cleared it and cashed it. I would think that they would know if it was a fake or not.

 

[mellowyellow]

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actually, he's right O.F.F., I worked for a company that got scammed this way. purchased some merchandise and paid with a cashiers check, check<br />even cleared the bank before product shipped. then they ordered again, same deal, then the bank found out that the checks were fraudulent and drawn on the some unsuspecting companies acct.<br />our company was liable for the full amount and our bank froze all assetts they had to cover the money they already paid out.<br />do you think some $6.00/hr teller can tell if it's counterfiet? after that, it's all automated and until the acct. they are drawn on figures it out, no one knows there's a problem. you are now liable for the money that you sent this scammer because eventually you will find out that the check isn't worth the paper it's written on.<br />IMMEDIATELY INVOLVE THE AUTHORITIES IMHO!<br />if it wasn't a scam, then why wouldn't he pay you with a bank wire?<br />good luck,<br />M.Y.

 

[SpinnerBait_Nut]

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Thanks for everyone's replys.<br />Seems like there is some confusion here. This was not a normal check, it was a check just like you or I would get if we went into any bank and ask for a cashier's check. You give them the money and they give you a check for that amount. It has who bought it (you) and the bank tellers authorized signature on it also.<br />I have a copy of it and I will post it so you can see what I am talking about.<br />And it just wasn't a $6.00 per hour teller, the bank manager called the bank it was drawn on to check it out, and that bank said it was legit. Thats all I know.