Loose bearings? No problem, drink a MT Dew

loose rivet

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I just got done going over a trailer a buddy just bought used. It came with a small boat he just got. I won't say where but it wasn't a private sale.

He came to me asking what 'slightly worn spindles' meant.
The dealer told him that they had gone over everything, trailer included and that he'd be good for a year or two before having to mess with the trailer. He said two of the wheels felt loose, he was told it was just 'wear on the
spindles'.

I pulled all four wheels and hubs off to find that the left side bearings were wrong, they used 1 1/6" bearing cones on 1" spindles, and to make it worse, they had glued the bearing caps on, plus wrapped each one with duct tape and painted over it. It has an internal style bearing buddy, something similar to Red Eye hubs. My take is that it spun a bearing in the hub at some point, so their fix was to grind the bearing a bit, apply liberal amounts of epoxy, and pound the bearing race in shimming it with a strip cut from a Mountain Dew can.
All of this is of course supersedes the obvious which was that one hub was 5 lug, the rest were 4 lug, covered with cheap plastic hub caps to hide the obvious.
To top it all off, they used red Locktite to hold on several nearly stripped out lug bolts, nor the 5/16" U bolts holding the axles to the springs. The 8 penny nails, or 'cotter pins' added a nice touch as well.
The bearings, other than half of them being wrong, were all pitted, not real bad, but pitted and basically doomed to fail. There were no grease seals, but someone had installed round hard plastic washers behind the inner bearing which were crushed by the inner bearing against the seal area. They appeared similar to those plastic spacers behind the window crank on a pickup truck.

One new hub, all new bearings, all new hardware, and its roadworthy again. So much for "You won't have to deal with the trailer for at least a few more years".

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86 century

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Re: Loose bearings? No problem, drink a MT Dew

Well it goes to show you that just because it was a dealer doesn't keen it not rigged up.

Im not sure why a dealer would risk there reputation one less than $100 to fix it properly.
 

Silly Seville

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Re: Loose bearings? No problem, drink a MT Dew

I personally think that you have a duty to identify this so called dealer. Broadcast the name! And call the BBB, and maybe have your buddy ask an attorney friend if you have any recourse. Yes, that was doomed to fail, and it was a deliberate act on the part of the person who did it, risking injury to others. Name this place!
 

lncoop

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Re: Loose bearings? No problem, drink a MT Dew

I personally think that you have a duty to identify this so called dealer. Broadcast the name! And call the BBB, and maybe have your buddy ask an attorney friend if you have any recourse. Yes, that was doomed to fail, and it was a deliberate act on the part of the person who did it, risking injury to others. Name this place!

Agreed. This goes way beyond shoddy work. It's a clear case of deception that could have resulted in all sorts of bad and/or dangerous things. This needs to be pursued somehow.
 

loose rivet

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Re: Loose bearings? No problem, drink a MT Dew

I think the nails for cotter pins were worse than the jury rigged shim, but its now after the fact, the trailer is fixed now.
My guess is that the dealer at best gave the hubs a shot of grease and called it a day.
Most likely they have some kid checking things like this who don't look too hard for things to do.
I've seen it before in car dealers, when something is a total mess, you don't look too hard and hope it just goes away.
I just couldn't believe they'd sell something rigged up this bad, and give the buyer a **** story about worn spindles.
Who ever used the 1 1/16" bearings on the 1" spindles was an idiot, plain and simple.
The shimmed bearing may or may not have been from the same idiot. If all someone did was check the bearing grease, then the bearing cups wouldn't have come out. The grease was clean, but it was a mix of several color greases too. I guess any grease is better than none.
If anyone with half a brain would have pulled off the dust caps they would have seen the two nails used as cotter pins on each side. The bad part about the nails is that there was nothing but friction holding them in, they were just pounded into the hole.

The dealer is a former new boat/motor dealer who now only does used boats and odd brand motors after several of his main brands went away. I don't deal with that dealer myself, their too far away. I put some of the blame on the buyer here too, there's no way I'd drive away with a trailer with the wheel bearings as obviously loose like they were. Merely pushing on the top of each tire on the left side showed almost a 1/2" of movement.

I also think that the dealer may have thrown in the trailer vs. either no trailer or one too rusty to use at all. I have no idea what sort of deal the buyer made, other than what I was told. He's not at all mechanically inclined, I'm sure if no one mentioned 'worn spindles', no questions about the trailer would have ever come up. (His last trailer got so bad it had to be abandoned where it broke and the boat brought home on a borrowed trailer, which never got fixed due to the damaged lower unit from that incident). No amount of explaining or warnings will change some people. To them it just ain't broke till it won't move at all.

He said he's going to take the bearing and tin can shim back to the dealer and tell him what we found but I doubt that'll get very far, if he even bothers.

To me, the right fix for the loose bearing cups would either to have peened the area around the bearing and pressed in the new bearing using green Loctite, or just replace the hub. Cotter pins are cheap, I can't imagine any shop not having at least one assortment on the shelf. I myself must have ten boxes of them in the garage. Using the wrong bearing cones is just careless stupidity.
The hubs couldn't come off because the wrong bearings, but the nails could most certainly work loose and in turn loosen or cut through the bearing covers. The first thing I noticed was the tire tread was feathered a bit on the left side tires, plus the one odd 5 lug hub.

Myself, I've always been very mechanically inclined, having spent years in car and truck dealerships I've seen all sorts of bad repairs. This don't even make the top ten list.
 

rschap1

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Re: Loose bearings? No problem, drink a MT Dew

The "cobble job" sounds like FAR more work and trouble than fixing it correctly would have been.
I don't see where they saved very much $$ either.
The oversized (wrong) bearings had to come from somewhere and I am guessing not free.

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dlngr

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Re: Loose bearings? No problem, drink a MT Dew

I wonder if coke cans would work? I don't drink MD.
 
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