Machinning titanium!

fat fanny

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At work I have been turning 3 Titanium poured billets from 37"in dia to 33" getting the right speed and feed has been a challenge on top of watching out for that critical flsh point (using plenty of coolant) and specially coated inserts in 4 stacked tools offset .100 and a depth of cut of .100 @ 6.6 rpm and feeding @.010 per rev, any thoughts?
 

SuzukiChopper

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Re: Machinning titanium!

Geebus, must take quite a while to take off 4" at that speed! I guess you kind of have to go that slow and take your time with titanium though (watch the chips especially!).
 

4JawChuck

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Reduce your depth of cut and up the feed, adjust speed to where you can get 0.020"-0.030" feed rate assuming you have the HP to get there. I would forget about using coolant as you can crack the inserts from the extreme temps, the idea is to remove the heat in the chip not with coolant. Use coolant behind the tool to cool the material behind to reduce the heat buildup with every pass. Before you do any finishing unchuck and let them cool overnight, figure on doing all the roughing first and the finishing last with cooling periods inbetween...it has to be room temp to do the finishing with a smear of cutting oil like you would use with a pipe threader (sulphurized oil), its going to smoke so get the vents going in the shop or use a smoke eater. Oil leaves the nicest finish but if the Ra is not important water soluble coolant is OK, whatever you do don't tickle the material with low feeds, it will just harden up on you with every pass.

However there is nothing that you can do about the notch wear your going to get on the insert from the hard skin left after every cut, what I used to do was get three different feed rates and depths dialed in and then start with the deepest cut depth/feed rate and work out so the notch line moves out on the tool insert.

No matter what you do your going to have to watch the insert for the first signs of notch wear from the hard skin, as soon as you see it change the tool or reduce the depth of cut. You going to go through a pile of inserts no matter what you do.

You haven't mentioned the type or grade of Titanium but for the most part all the grades machine like 316L-SS except for the really soft gummy stuff like Grade 1 or 2 which should be similar to 304 SS to machine. God help you if these blanks are alloyed 442 or any of the 6 series grades...they make my freakin eye twitch.

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Sounds like these are rough blanks your turning so getting under the skin to where the blank is at least round might be where your having trouble, there is really no easy solution except to use negative rake tooling until the blank is round with no chip land and use fast feeds and shallow cuts...that scale is murder on forged blanks...rotate the tool insert every pass if you have too and use cheap uncoated inserts since it isn't going to matter what you use to get her round...they are going to break and snap and chip and pop, go slow.

Hope you have decent tooling (I recommend Sandvik Coromant) most shops use the cheap Iscar or Seco stuff and their inserts are just not ideal for these kind of materials, its been awhile since I have been in the business so things may have changed but their stuff used to be crap for alloyed SS or TI. Sandvik has some engineered stuff and well trained techs in my area who were great for offering advice on their tooling choices available, they saved me a ton of hassle by just giving them a call and getting advice on which of their products to use, they made stuff that other mfgs just couldn't touch for durability and output...smart machinists in that company.

Good luck dude and don't let her vibrate, if you hear a whistle back off the feed...it will snap in no time flat if you don't. Hopefully you have a good machine to do this on, if the headstock bearings have some play it will be a b!tch to do.
 

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Re: Machinning titanium!

this is actually more of a question also i guess.
would a diamond wheel work better or at all in this case.
having worked in a steel mill we used the wheels to turn carbide rolls.
had to really watch out for high frequency vertical chatter.
this created what we called tiger stripes on the metal.
patting myself on the back i'm the one that discovered the problem and presented a solution.
having stated the above i'm not a machinist.
 

fat fanny

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Re: Machinning titanium!

I'm turning this on a 50" LeBlonde with a 50' bed the same machine Newport news ship yard uses too turn aircraft carrier prop shafts with and @ this time the tool wehave most success with is a 45 degree square made by ingersoll and she really bits it good hadsome real success the last 2 days using 4 of them back to back staggered .100 and depth of cut @.100 @ 6.6 rpm and .0101 a rev it takes about 9hrs to go 63" the cutomer is only wanting a 250 finish and this piece was poured and will eventually be extruded.
 

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Re: Machinning titanium!

Guess this would not be the best place to discuss a problem I am having turning nylon with my 9" x 54" basement-shop Atlas (can't find a feed/speed combo where the nylon doesn't string and wrap)....;)

I am not a machinist either but worked with one who was a magician.
At the end of hie career he was used solely on one-offs in R&D. Bizarre shapes and material.
Whenever he was turning something that was a really serious challenge he would simply acknowledge " It's probably not a job for a beginner".

As I read this thread I realised that " It's probably not a job for a beginner".
Some lathe!
 

kenmyfam

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Re: Machinning titanium!

Well Chuck pretty much said it all. Not a lot I can add to it other than to maintain the required surface speed as the diameter decreases. Sandvik are #1 for quality and back up in my book.
 

fat fanny

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Keep in mind that the LeBlonde I'm using is completetly manual just digital readouts not c-n-c the sandvic tooling I have used seemed to burn up pretty quick compared to the ingersoll tooling designed for SS. Believe me when I say I have tried and considered all the usefull info you all have offered but ith the time constrants on this job I'm using what works @this time and will apply the recieved knowledge when more slugs arrive!
 

SuzukiChopper

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Re: Machinning titanium!

Guess this would not be the best place to discuss a problem I am having turning nylon with my 9" x 54" basement-shop Atlas (can't find a feed/speed combo where the nylon doesn't string and wrap)....;)

<highjack> Put it in the freezer overnight and only take it out when you're ready to machine. Should help.</end highjack>


This thread is useless without pictures :) :) :)
 

4JawChuck

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Re: Machinning titanium!

A round insert Sandvik is the tool I would be using for the roughing, this allows you to rotate the tool with every pass to keep the notch line out of the material and handle the intermittent loads when your breaking scale. Sandvik inserts are not the hardest insert out there, your Ingersol inserts are better in that regard (another great tooling company, I have always liked Valenite too).

Every shop is different and has different tools and machines to work on, a 50" LeBlonde and Ingersol tooling tells me your in a high quality shop...damn I love those LeBlonde lathes.

As has been mentioned there is no easy solution with TI, you just have to keep on top of it and catch it before the insert breaks...nothing on the market is going to be a magic bullet.

For the Nylon on the Atlas lathe, there is not easy solution for this plastic although the freezer trick will work for a short time. I once tried "Super Cold" spray to force "snap" the continous chip but it gets expensive when you have a lot to do.

I had a 1967 Atlas/Clausing 12"X48" in my garage for years so I know what your working with. Just keep a pair of side cutters handy for clearing the basket that forms on the work after every cut and keep the headstock clear of tools so nothing gets caught up in the flying nylon scarf.
 

fat fanny

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Re: Machinning titanium!

I heard that! it's like bailing hay at ponits during the cut but I have to do what I have to do. Our shop has 4 Leblondes a 8", 24",30"gun ream and the beast the 50" nothing stops it! period. I'm becoming a shop taught machinist very old school but I love it by far the best job I have ever had allowed to learn on my own with help when I need it and minimal pressure. I love watching 4 piggybacked tools cut 1" off in one pass it never ceases to amaze me no matter how many times I do it. Thanx for all the input guys. If there is any interest in seeing what my shop does and is capable of go to Butech Bliss .com. we do it all
 
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