Master guide to tuning 1999 3.0 GS Holley 2 Barrel Carb (looking for editing remarks)

insttech1

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Did quite a lot of reading on this from many sources, including Holley service manuals. All have some minor detail left out.

My first thought is this, (assuming just tuning, or just after rebuilding and reinstalling).
Warm up engine to full operating temp.
Adjust choke first; all other adjustments might be screwed up in choke is off.
Manuals, however, don't give exact distance (or conflicting info on distance choke plate should be opened while cold, as measured to the housing. Any input here? Any reference as to what level choke should be open at some given ambient temp?? Of course choke plate should be fully open once engine reaches operating temp.
Electric choke must be grounded one side, and getting 12v from source operating only when engine is running, and NOT the ignition sources, as they drop down to 9volts.

Rough-set main idle adjustment screw for 700rpm to ensure engine is at least running during test. Stop engine.
Install vacuum gauge to "full manifold vacuum". Doesn't quite show where that port is or what size hose to use, even on holley site. They show it going to automotive manifold. Any info here?
Turn both idle needles in clockwise til they stop, then back out about 1 to 1 1/2 turns...(read one turn, one and 1/4, and one and one 1/2...from various sources)

Disengage throttle cable from carb entirely. (Maybe this should be done as an earlier step...?)
With engine running, place it in forward gear, but no extra throttle.
Back out idle adjustment screws 1/8th turn at a time until vacuum goes highest it can go, turning one side 1/8, then the other, so both turned out symmetrically, until vacuum is at its highest. Here a conflict; some books say you're done; others say turn them back in 1/8th turn after you are done for "best setting".
Alternate method without vac gauge is just tune the screws (again, symmetrically, 1/8th at a time) until engine RPM is highest, assuming you can see small variations in RPM on your tach, and that it's not shaky.) Still questionable after this if you should turn those screws back in 1/8th turn after that for "best setting".

Now go back into neutral and readjust main idle adjustment stop screw (screw with spring attached) until RPM is back at 700.

Assumption now is that you replace throttle cable. If it changes RPM, then should you adjust the throttle cable itself, or the main idle adjustment screw to get back to 700 RPM?
I'm assuming at some point in time you have to manually run carb throttle thru 100 percent rotation, and then reattach cable, and run it from neutral all the way to WOT with boat throttle controls to ensure that the throttle linkages are making their whole pass from zero to WOT.

Also did more reading on adjusting the pump shot, (not included here) and a whole lot about bending arms and linkages by hand until everything is lined up...but I am assuming that if tuning a carb that hasn't heavily been messed with, this isn't really necessary??

Just emptying my mind of all the reading that I'm doing before I get my card rebuild kit in, since I think it's time for a rebuild. Got my engine running much more smootly recently, but had harder time getting up on plane pulling tube with two teens.
Still seems to run much better with no load (tube) after the small adjustments I made.

And one other thing; my carb is covered in black conformal rubber-like coating, including all of the exposed coiled springs for the throttle and by the float housing of the carb. As it comes off (little pieces are flaking off sharp-edged areas by the linkages), it gets in those springs. I don't like that. Do yours have this coating?

Update Holley Rebuild Kit Number 703-41.
Online literature not available per Holley; however, most of the pertinent info is on their newer 500CFM model 2300 carb, which you can pull PDF's up from their website to learn how to tune.

Thanks Much!!
 

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Re: Master guide to tuning 1999 3.0 GS Holley 2 Barrel Carb (looking for editing rema

Install vacuum gauge to "full manifold vacuum". Doesn't quite show where that port is or what size hose to use, even on holley site. They show it going to automotive manifold. Any info here?

I'd also be interested to hear how to properly set the idle mixture screws from the Volvo techs. From what I've seen, there usually isn't a full vacuum source at the base of the carb, which makes the vacuum gauge method difficult. The tach method seems inaccurate to me.

And one other thing; my carb is covered in black conformal rubber-like coating, including all of the exposed coiled springs for the throttle and by the float housing of the carb. As it comes off (little pieces are flaking off sharp-edged areas by the linkages), it gets in those springs. I don't like that. Do yours have this coating?

Yes, you'll probably lose most of it if you dip your carb when rebuilding.
 

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Re: Master guide to tuning 1999 3.0 GS Holley 2 Barrel Carb (looking for editing rema

"Yes, you'll probably lose most of it if you dip your carb when rebuilding."

Thanks Kelley...about 95% of this coating is intact....so if I can just keep it away from the springs, I'll be happy. Wasn't planning on dipping the carb unless absolutely necessary, but haven't done a carb rebuild since a non-marine Carter 4bbl years ago...
 

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Re: Master guide to tuning 1999 3.0 GS Holley 2 Barrel Carb (looking for editing rema

Holley electric choke is thermostatic by electric current, not by motor temp, and will open on its own in a time based operation, regardless of engine operating temp. See the Holley Performance Youtube vid on the electric choke operation.

Something that could happen is if you have an intermittent electrical connection at the spade connections on the choke housing, you can have a choke go back to a closed position, even if the motor is hot!!

Also the VP manual states to adjust idle mixture by turning out idle mixture screw on metering block to the nominal setting and set idle speed with carb idle speed screw. Then turn in idle mixture screws until lean causes RPMs to drop, then back out until idle is stable and keep going out until idle begins to drop again (too rich). Adjust back in until maximum RPM is achieved with those screws (both 1/8 turn at a time).

Adjust idle speed screw carb again with tachometer (timing light tach instrument, not boat dash guage) and repeat idle mixture if necessary to achieve sweet spot of idle speed desired idle speed ~600RPM. I'm new to this, but I believe this is in gear. Im doing this to my boat once I get my Holley rebuild kit in.

B.
 

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Re: Master guide to tuning 1999 3.0 GS Holley 2 Barrel Carb (looking for editing rema

Vacuum gauge gets connected to a barbed fitting you screw into the hole in the intake manifold after you remove the pipe plug that?s plugging the hole. Most that I have seen are 1/4? pipe. Use a hose size that matches your gauge.

When adjusting Idle mixture screws --- wait 30 to 60 seconds after each adjustment, it can take that long for the motor to respond to the new mixture.
 

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Re: Master guide to tuning 1999 3.0 GS Holley 2 Barrel Carb (looking for editing rema

Thanks for the responses all--I appreciate it.

I rebuilt the carb, and have it ready to reinstall. One issue is choke adjustment; this can't be done with the carb installed, unless you can get in there with a screwdriver adapter on a ratchet....there's just no way to get in to the bottom screw. And the top two aren't easy either.

As far as the vacuum port....that's a good one too. I found about a 1/4" hole w/ a stainless screw in the manifold--under the edge of the carb by the choke!! So no way to use/access that either to run a vacuum gauge.

I found a reference from Holley to turn the choke 5 notches left from nominal, so I'll try that and see how it works out. My float was seriously mis-adjusted (way too low; it's the center hung horizontal type, but should be centered in the bowl when upside down per the guide). Mine was basically as low as it could go, so that's been tweaked. I'm a bit concerned about that one, however, as I had to break the coating to make the adjustment, and put in the new adjusting screw, so obviously it's been that way since built...????

Also found my diaphragm pump clearance wasn't set right, so tweaked that too when the carb was back together.

The Holley instructions are poor, at best. It says to disassemble by following the numbers for the parts chart, except for the fact that the chart diagram is so small no numbers can be read. But a little common sense takes care of that...and a few pic's of every stage of disassembly on the cell phone, to ensure that all goes back in the same order it came apart. That little step saved my butt, as a plastic part of some unknown origin and use can go in two ways...almost forgot to put it back in at all.

I'll definitely keep in mind that fact that I have to wait a bit for those adjustment screws to take affect...that little comment probably saved me a few hours of frustrated tuning time, as I thought the engine would react within a few seconds.

All the gaskets were great, except the one to mount the carb back on the manifold. It's paper thin, and not the same shape/thickness as the manifold gasket that was previously on there.

I'll let you know how she runs once it's all bolted back up.
 

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Re: Master guide to tuning 1999 3.0 GS Holley 2 Barrel Carb (looking for editing rema

I am confused about there not being a good place to put a vacuum gauge. My carb has what I thought was a vaccum port at the base of the carb towrd the front. I put a vacuum gauge on it and it reads abut 15 inches at idle. I used that to adjust my mixtures, going for peak vacuum. Is this wrong?
 

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OK it's back on and running. Fired up as soon as it got reliable fuel (so second try w/ starter and two manual pumps from the carb 'til I saw fuel). I would recommend starting with idle mix screws at 1 1/4 turns out, and then going in, as 1.5 turns was way too rich for me. Left a slick of black soot on the exhaust water...not good. Still need a vac' gauge to try and fine tune.

But at least it's running, so that's a big plus for me!!
 

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Oh yeah...Glastron--I'm assuming the 3/8 connector (mine is on the back) is pulling full vacuum from the manifold, as it's on the bottom of the carb. This is the one leading to the PCV valve on the valve cover.
I found a 1/4 screw going directly into the manifold....however, the carb/choke housing are directly over it w/ only 1/2" of clearance. I didn't even see it 'til I pulled the carb. There's no way I'd try to pull carb, put on a fitting, adjust, and replace carb by using that location!

Or are you using the tiny 5/32 nipple that leads to the electric choke? I think that's just used to pull air through the choke housing to keep it cool. (Manual says if there isn't airflow through the choke housing, that it will melt due to overheating....ouch!)
 

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Re: Master guide to tuning 1999 3.0 GS Holley 2 Barrel Carb (looking for editing rema

Ah yes! So the tiny 5/32 nipple isn't a vacuum line. So I really don't have 15 inch vacuum as I thought. Anyone know what ther vacuum should be at idle?
 

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Re: Master guide to tuning 1999 3.0 GS Holley 2 Barrel Carb (looking for editing rema

I'm not saying the 5/32 isn't a vacuum line; I'm just saying I'm not "sure" that it is.
 

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It apparently is pulling a vacuum, although the purpose may be to cool the choke. At least I was able to peak the vacuum reading with my mixture adjustments, so it seems to work for that. I still have the hesitation on quickly increasing throttle though. I need to get the timing shunt to check the timing. Just don't see how timing could cause this though, so still believe something is wrong with the carb.
 

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just curious...are you using boat throttle or unhooked and pushing by hand? my boat throttle cable is out of adjustment range. i think that was part of my problem as well. my throttle only "worked" thru about 1/4 of its range--it was basically just about idle, to 75% throttle with just finger pressure. i went to adjust it, but found out it doesn't have enough travel on the engine side, and only about 1/16" adjustment left on the controls end, so that's something I want to address before I go to the water. Made it hell trying to teach the kids how to drive the boat....up, down, up, down....couldn't blame them though!
 

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Re: Master guide to tuning 1999 3.0 GS Holley 2 Barrel Carb (looking for editing rema

I am confused about there not being a good place to put a vacuum gauge.

On auto carbs there are many vacuum ports to run the brake booster, distributor advance etc. Marine carbs are usually missing most of these. Usually if you have a large vac port at the base of the carb, its close to full manifold vac. I dont have a base port on mine, but I'm running a 4 barrel Holley 4160 style. I think you guys have a 2300 variant of some sort.

I put a vacuum gauge on it and it reads abut 15 inches at idle. I used that to adjust my mixtures, going for peak vacuum. Is this wrong?

Sounds about right, but it will vary from engine to engine, depending on compression, cam, maifold and carb
 

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I had my throttle linkage unhooked and worked the carb throttle by hand when adjusting the mixture screws and the idle adjustment. After get the idle set at about 650 RPM, I connected the linkage and adjust it to assure it when all the way back for the idle. I haven't really checked to see if it opens the throttle all the way when given WOT. Guess I should check that.
 

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Re: Master guide to tuning 1999 3.0 GS Holley 2 Barrel Carb (looking for editing rema

So took the boat out tonight. First thing was idle was 150 rpm low when in the water; no throttle. Took a screwdriver, so tweaked that up a bit to 700. I'm assuming this might be because of backpressure on exhaust when fully immersed, or the fact that my throttle cable does not have enough adjustment right now. I ran the cable through its paces before I left the driveway. It moves very smoothly (cable and controls, not actual carb throttle), but does not seem to pull the carb throttle evenly through its rotation. (But it will hit idle adjustment screw and WOT.)

For the good part, however, I ran the boat close to WOT and got 4100 RPM (I'm still a wuss and didn't want to crank it all the way on the first run out...), and I was able to get up to about 37mph, but kept having to throttle down due to crowded lake, wake, and a bit of chop. It sounds good, feels pretty good, and most definitely feels to have about 30% more power than pre-rebuild.

One thing I did notice is that we shut down for twenty minutes to fish. When I started back up, idle seemed to be about 100 RPM low. Getting up to speed and getting up on plane was just fine, but slowing down at the dock, RPM was down to about 550 again.

So next step is to get a good vacuum gauge and ensure idle mix screws are set via vacuum, and not just RPM tuning. And find some way to adjust my throttle cable.
 

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Re: Master guide to tuning 1999 3.0 GS Holley 2 Barrel Carb (looking for editing rema

Well I bought a vac' gauge and did the whole vacuum adjustment tonight. I too pulled vac from the tiny choke tube, because my vac gauge kit did not come with anything large enough to hook to the large vacuum port going from the carb to the pcv valve.

I'm pulling about 16" of vacuum with the idle mix screws played with, and finally ending up about 3/4 turn out from their bottomed out condition. Might even be a tad less than that.

I also figured out why my RPM was screwy. With the boat controls disconnected, I was throttling the carb manually, and it didn't always "settle" back down to the same RPM. After playing a bit, I found that if I put the most tiny amount of force against the throttle (toward the closed position), that the engine would idle down too low to 550. I.E. if I hit the throttle hard and let it settle on its spring force, it would end up low, but if I let it close gently, it would idle back to 700. It seems just to have been how the throttle was hitting the main idle adjustment screw, so after loosening and tightening that a few times, it seems to be consistent now. Maybe just a burr on the end....or a tiny piece of that rubber coating that got on the throttle mechanism, but very frustrating!
 
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