MC Oil Pressure?

tank1949

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I have 1994 MC v8 IO's oil pressure sending unit that I feared was providing incorrect reading after it warmed up. So, I connected a manual gauge/sending unit that uses true oil pressure. It has a translucent 1/8" tube that runs from 1/8 NPT connected at block, which connects to gauge. At initial start up, both gauges indicated about 60 lbs of oil pressure. After warming, and at idle, the manual oil gauge read about 30 lbs while the MC electric gauge read 15lbs. BIG Difference!!!!! However, I noticed long air bubbles inside the manual translucent tube. If my memory serves me correctly, I believe that the bubble presence is acceptable. Or, do I need to bleed translucent line to achieve a more reliable reading???????
 

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Re: MC Oil Pressure?

I've bled the line on initial instalations,only to have air show up at a later date. Does not seem to affect the guage any. When ya shut down,the oil @ the senser hookup drains down to the pan a bit.thus introducing air. I dont worry about it.
Grub
 

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60 is good for high and even if it's 15 it's good at idle 30 would be better. I would tend to believe the mechanical gauge over the electronic, 1 Bourdon Tube vs. a bunch of wires, connections, grounds?, sensor, electronic gauge, etc. Just Sayin'.
 

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Why not get a new sensor and complete the experiment? I got a mechanical gauge a couple of years ago when I had a pressure problem. I still wish I had teed off the pressure port so I could check them against each other.
 

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Both motor sensors are near spin on oil filter and pure hell to remove and swap on 2950 Proline cuddy. It suck!!!!!. I have spoken to a couple vendors, even West Marine, who want motor vin number to make sure I get correct part to swap. Sierra Mfg is closed until after Christmas. Boat orginally had 305 v8s. But 350s put in a couple years back. Gauges and senders look like they are orginals. It is my understanding the sendor needs to be match for correct oms to guage???????? You cannot mix and match?????? Proline boat and NO markings on gauages to indicate make.
 

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Both motor sensors are near spin on oil filter and pure hell to remove and swap on 2950 Proline cuddy. It suck!!!!!. I have spoken to a couple vendors, even West Marine, who want motor vin number to make sure I get correct part to swap. Sierra Mfg is closed until after Christmas. Boat orginally had 305 v8s. But 350s put in a couple years back. Gauges and senders look like they are orginals. It is my understanding the sendor needs to be match for correct oms to guage???????? You cannot mix and match?????? Proline boat and NO markings on gauages to indicate make.

The sender unless it is some weird one should be 260 ohms style. Pick it up at most any auto store. The manual list the following to test yours: Remove wire from sender and place ohm meter lead on terminal, put negative lead on base of sender.


Pressure Ohms Single Ohms Dual
0 ------------ 227-257 --------113.5-128.5
20----------- 142-162.5 -------71-81.25
40 ----------- 91.7-113.6------- 45.8-56.8
80 ----------- 9-49 -------------- 4.5-24.5
 
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Alldodge-thx for information. Very GOOD!!!! But, getting to it is the real problem. Even to replace with automotive replacement or connecting terminal leads really sucks. Proline should go out of business due to this design. There ia no way in hell to fit arms unless removing exhaust manifold. You ever seen one go bad or is problem more probable at gauage? My volt meter gauage is a bit off too for that motor.
 

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It's my understanding from your post that your gauge once warmed up shows 15 at idle and 30 on mechanical gauge. Mercruiser says so long as you have at least 5 at idle your OK. My view is you don't have an issue other then the reading. Most of the time the reading is off it turns out to be the sender, but not always. With the gauge showing 15 when it is actually 30 I would be OK with it, just watch if it starts to go lower. Sounds like your not OK so do one of three things. I think you have twin engines:

Swap the sender wires on the gauges and see if the reading follows the sender, If it does it's the sender.
Remove the wire off the sender with a low reading and measure the resistance from the sender connection to case ground. If resistance is within specs it's the gauge.
Be OK with what your seeing because your engine is fine.

BTW, What does the gauge read when your on plane or WOT?
 

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Alldodge, have not examine on plane as yet. I also have volt meter gauge on the moto not ready accurately. Direct connecting multimeter shows 13+ volts at alternator lug. It looses 2 volts or more at gauge. I have duals! I had planed on doing some swapping to issolate gauge or sender, but that will happen after new years. Thx
 

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most dash gauges are merely a suggestion to what it does. Accuracy is not their strong suit.
 

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Couple of things. isn't your oil sender on top of the rear of the motor? You should be able to get to it.
But before you get into changing parts...you say there's more than one gauge acting hinky. I'd clean up every ground and electrical contact, from the batteries to the ignitions, to the main plugs. Sometimes gauges act badly when there's poor continuity. Mine did. It gave me wrong information til I did all the contacts. I finally got everything working when I unplugged my master plug, cleaned all the prongs and receptacles with emery cloth, spread the prongs a bit to improve contact, and dielectric greased them.
This was in a freshwater boat that got about 4 or 5 months a year of use before me.
 

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NHguy,

You comments about the ground is 100% correct. But, in this case, that is not the problem. The alternator guages sticks. You can thump it and it pops back to what multimeter reads as well. These guages are all, I suspect, 20 years old, and until I bought boat, we not protected from elements. 1 Oil guage drops only after motor heats. I plan on swapping guages or jumping , after holidays. My fuel pumps are electrical and I have to run hot wire to special oil switch that we mounted near distributor for easiire access vs near oil filter. Unless you have every experienced a 2950 Proline with dual v8 IOs, then you have never experience a true boating nightmare to work on.
 

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The gauges will become erratic / problematic over time (and 20 years is a longe time, especially in the marine enviroment). I replaced all my 20 year old gauges a couple of years ago with standard off the shelf ones, after having problems similar to yours. It was a "plug and play" operation, as the existing senders were reused. The Mercruiser senders / guages are basically industry standard, as far as the specs and values go.. Unless, of course, they are some over the top / specialized / very expensive ones, which one would doubt. On your oil pressure sender, I would replace it, as it sounds like there is "accuracy creep" in it as it heats up, a common problem. They are a standard sender that is pretty easy and cheap to replace.

You could install a s/s type line from the sender location on the block and mount your senders at the end of that in some accessible location to ease accessing the senders at a later date, if need be. Hot rodders have been doing that for years and would work just fine on an I/O.... JEGS and Summit Racing have huge selections of these. An AN3 selection would be perfect. I would install the S/S ones and not use the plastic lines anywhere, since they can be somewhat fragile / brittle if exposed to heat over time or mishandled in any way.

30psi into one end of the line equals 30 psi out the other end, even if there is air in there, since there is zero flow through the line. The air bubbles (there will always be some) would also act as a slight damper to smooth out any pulsations in pressure, if they did occur.
 
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tank1949

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Re: MC Oil Pressure?

The gauges will become erratic / problematic over time (and 20 years is a longe time, especially in the marine enviroment). I replaced all my 20 year old gauges a couple of years ago with standard off the shelf ones, after having problems similar to yours. It was a "plug and play" operation, as the existing senders were reused. The Mercruiser senders / guages are basically industry standard, as far as the specs and values go.. Unless, of course, they are some over the top / specialized / very expensive ones, which one would doubt. On your oil pressure sender, I would replace it, as it sounds like there is "accuracy creep" in it as it heats up, a common problem. They are a standard sender that is pretty easy and cheap to replace.

You could install a s/s type line from the sender location on the block and mount your senders at the end of that in some accessible location to ease accessing the senders at a later date, if need be. Hot rodders have been doing that for years and would work just fine on an I/O.... JEGS and Summit Racing have huge selections of these. An AN3 selection would be perfect. I would install the S/S ones and not use the plastic lines anywhere, since they can be somewhat fragile / brittle if exposed to heat over time or mishandled in any way.

30psi into one end of the line equals 30 psi out the other end, even if there is air in there, since there is zero flow through the line. The air bubbles (there will always be some) would also act as a slight damper to smooth out any pulsations in pressure, if they did occur.



Thx,

I plan on removing plastic oil line completly, once all else is replaced.
 

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As far as your idle oil pressure, you will sometimes see a difference between cold idle and hot idle. For mine cold idle will be about 40 and after running it will be lower at about 20 or so. So for me 20-40 could be normal depending if the engine was just run on plane or not.

On mine it will read 40 at cold idle, then if I run it on plane it might be at 20 after coming off plane, but if I let the engine idle for 5-10 min while fishing, as the motor oil cools of you can actually see the pressure climb up to 40 or so. And this has been consistent over the years I have had the boat. Same thing when I get a sticky 'stat that won't let it get over 120* at idle, the cool idle oil pressure will be at least 40.

The other thing that affects all of this is the oil you are using. Automotive multi vis oils that are not best for marine use will see the biggest drops in hot slow oil pressure, if you use either a mono grade (like straight 30 or 40) or Merc's 25w/40 it will not drop as much.....
 
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