Merc Engine Specifics?? Performance Parts

diabloed

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I just recently purchased a 2006 boat with the Mercruiser 5.7l 250hp w/Alpha 1. I have been looking into getting a new 4-brl intake and carb. I'm not really up to date with modern chevy engines and things are getting a tad fuzzy. What specifics should I be looking for on new parts? IE vortec, year ranges, head meterial, EGR, choke, etc...

Sorry for all the questions, just need some clarification!
 

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Re: Merc Engine Specifics?? Performance Parts

It's a Brand New Boat................

Enjoy It............

If it's Not Fast Enough,............ Trade Up...........

If you go turning Wrenches on that thing,......
You'll be $pending Ga$ Money,+ your Boat will be Worth 1/2 a$ much a$ it i$ Now..........
 

diabloed

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Re: Merc Engine Specifics?? Performance Parts

I realize it's a new boat in all, but there's always something that can be done for a little extra pep, besides drop another G's for the identical boat with a different drive train. It's not like I am wanting a big block or anything!

Just looking into giving it some personal touches.

To add to my previous question... I have had a SB Chevy chrome dress-up kit laying around and was wondering if it would work out alright with this merc motor? (Granted if everything matches up properly)
 

uaw9fan

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Chrome and a moist environment don't really get along.
I wolud stick with the good old phantom black that Mercury paited the engine with. It is very corrosion resistant with the proper maintenance. Like they say "black is beautiful"
 

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Probably the most efficent mod you can do is go over to the prop forum and get yourself a prop that is setup properly for your hull engine combo. It maybe possible to get as much a 5-7-8 mph gain, now what that might cost you in term's building more hp to get a gain like that might stagger your mind..........
 

diabloed

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Re: Merc Engine Specifics?? Performance Parts

Last time out before I put it up for the winter was with a two inch increase in prop (17 to a 19) Wasn't impressed at all, hardly any increase in top speed and a loss in bottom end.

I'm not looking for huge MPH/HP gains here. just a little something extra.

Also I nixed the chrome idea... I saw that the Merc valve covers were center bolts, whereas the ones I have were for the older style bolts around the perimeter.
 

Tail_Gunner

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diabloed said:
Last time out before I put it up for the winter was with a two inch increase in prop (17 to a 19) Wasn't impressed at all, hardly any increase in top speed and a loss in bottom end.

I'm not looking for huge MPH/HP gains here. just a little something extra.

Also I nixed the chrome idea... I saw that the Merc valve covers were center bolts, whereas the ones I have were for the older style bolts around the perimeter.

If you know your exact speed (gps verified) and your rpm (again reliable) at wide open throttle, go post it over in prop forums and they will find a combo for either top speed, hole shot preformance, or maybe both. Mercury has a new prop out and quite expensive,it should give you a good gain,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, almost eveyone here mod's there boat into a more personalized expression, that is nothing new ........read look and have some fun ........:love: And closely gaurd you billfold.
 
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your not going to get alot by adding a 4 bl carb. infact, you might not get anything at all and may even loose some low end torqe to boot.

throwing more gas down the intake only adds hp if your engine is starving for fuel and your current carb is not delivering it. otherwise, it robs you of power.

a 5.7 will flow around 500 to 550 cfm,s. the 250 mercruiser may already have a 500 cfm 2bl. probably does being it is already an upgrade from the 200 hp 5.7

you could get more performance from fuel injection, or mabe a throttle body efi system, where the fuel/air misture is optimized, and all 8 cylinders are being fed the exact amount they need based on any given tempature.

but if your going to up the cfm,s, you need to up the demand for it. a high performance cam shaft mabe, or through hull exhaust and a decent set of heads so it breaths better.

check the cfms on the factory carb. if its sitting at 500, you probably wont get anything but head aches from modifying the intake and carb. if its sitting at around 400, you could probably realize some performance benifits from a bigger carb.

my advise? drive that puppy till it dies, then build your perfect beast. dont fix it if it aint broke.
 

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Do you EFI or a two barrol carb? The EFI will outperform the carb thru the whole rpm range.

if you modify the engine to make use of more fuel you can add bigger injectors and possibly a larger dia. throttle body.

Not sure if boats use O2 sensors. if so, the puterf will adjust for the bigger injectors. If not, you may have to reprogram the puter, and i wouldnt know where to go to do that.

Rosco is right tho, adding more air and fuel will do nothing if the motor isnt able to use it.

bigger cam, bigger heads, undercut valves, 1.6 ratio rockers.

Start with the cam first. Then add from there. remember to match your parts tho. You dont want a 7000 rpm cam and small port heads.

big lift short duration and small(er) port heads will net more low end torque.
by smaller ports i mean not humongo short ports.

vortech heads flow very nicely out of the box.

If you have a carb or really want one use a dual-plane manifold in a mid-rise configuration. A tunnel ram wont help u and will actually kill your low-end.

I wouldnt use a sqaure bore carb either, instead a carb with small primaries will be more fuel friendly, while the oversize secondaries will haul @$$. A tuned Qjet can really perform and get good milage. google performane Q-jets to see. Sqaure bore Holleys are notorios for loading up the motor with fuel and getting lousy milage.

use the smallest carb you need. find out what your motor will flow and give your self a little bit of margin. smaller carbs atomize better and will net more low-end torque.
 

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Re: Merc Engine Specifics?? Performance Parts

are boats subject to smog laws? There might not be much you can do.
 

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While I agree with Bondo, its too new to be $crewing with, going to a vortec intake and 4brl carb will gain you about 30hp. I am not aware of a 250hp injected merc, so assuming you have the 2brl. Here is an article to give you a general idea. They are way too optomistic in the hp, though. 60hp.. don't think so..

http://www.boatingmag.com/article.asp?section_id=8&article_id=501&print_page=y
 
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are boats subject to smog laws? There might not be much you can do.
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nope.

the only restrictions are those imposed by the Coast
Guard, and they deal mainly with safety issues. like fire proof fuel hoses, as if a fire proof fuel hose is gona help you if your boats on fire. or putting 2 clamps on everything instead of one.

but, performance is unregulated. you can have a 600 hp smog spewing terror under the engine hatch, and they wont bat an eye. infact, GM makes a 540 cid marine engine that pounds out 600 hp on pump gas. and Holly makes a marine 900cfm carb to fuel it.

but....while your playing with more hp, dont forget the drive. once you start playing with the 300hp mark, your alpha is not going to hold up very well. with a decent cam, some dart 2 heads, you could bring it up to 600 cfms and get a respectable 350 hp out of that small block. more if you want to put in a small block 400 crank in it.

the question is......how much money do you want to spend to go boating, and how much downtime vs playtime are you willing to accept to modify your engine? as any hot rodder will tell you, the more custome it is, the more time you spend working on it instead of driving it.

drive it till it quits, then play with it for a while if you want.

and about fuel injection. for the whopping 10 percent more hp your gona get, consider this, a carburator can have 100 things wrong with it and it will still get you home, "1" thing messes up on a fuel injection system your paddeling home. i just spent 3 weeks and 300 bucks just tracking down that "1" thing on my injection system. and i say i because the mercruiser dealer couldnt find it after throwing parts at it for 5 hours, hence the 300 bucks.
 

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should of got the bravo duo drive. or better yet volvo dp, or better yet volvo ips. but those are usually on larger yachts. leave that thing alone. trade up. its a boat not a race car. you go and make the engine hot and run fast down tarmac, but run it wide open all day and see where those mods get you. holes in pistons, messy oil in bilge, wifey and kids saying is that what you spent that money on? while your tryin to catch a tow... volvo drives have oil pumps in them that spray the gears with oil instead of relying on the oil working its way up there.
 

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volvo drives have oil pumps in them that spray the gears with oil instead of relying on the oil working its way up there.

Careful there, that doesn't happen.
 

lilmandavis

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ok it may not SPRAY the gears but some of the newer drives do circulate it up top from the bottom.
 
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