Merchant Marines

LadyFish

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I was thinking of a dear friend today who passed away a few years ago. His stories and memories of time spent in the Merchant Marines always fascinated me. We may even have a few MM vets onboard here. Just wanted to take a moment to educate those who may not know much about our Merchant Marines. <br /><br />
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<br /><br />What is the Merchant Marine?<br /><br />The Merchant Marine is the fleet of ships which carries imports and exports during peacetime and becomes a naval auxiliary during wartime to deliver troops and war materiel. According to the Merchant Marine Act of 1936: "It is necessary for the national defense... that the United States shall have a merchant marine of the best equipped and most suitable types of vessels sufficient to carry the greater portion of its commerce and serve as a naval or military auxiliary in time of war or national emergency..." During World War II the fleet was in effect nationalized, that is, the U.S. Government controlled the cargo and the destinations, contracted with private companies to operate the ships, put guns and Navy personnel (Armed Guard) on board. The Government trained the men to operate the ships and assist in manning the guns through the U.S. Maritime Service.<br /><br />What do you call people who are in the Merchant Marine?<br />Mariners. Seamen. Seafarers. Sailors. Never marines! Mariners is the preferred designation, just like the Seattle professional baseball team. The term Merchant Marines is incorrect, but sometimes used by some old time mariners.<br /><br />What were Merchant Marine casualties in World War II? revised 10/13/02<br />Unfortunately, the U.S. Merchant Marine has no official historians and researchers, and statistics for WWII vary:<br /><br /> * Mariners killed at sea "direct result of enemy action or as POW on American flag ships" Coast Guard: 5,662<br /> * Mariners killed at sea from war causes, compiled by Captain Arthur Moore: 6,847<br /> * Mariners died from various causes compiled by www.USMM.org: 8,387<br /> * Mariners buried or commemorated in American Battle Monuments Commission National Cemeteries overseas: 595<br /> * Mariners buried ABMC not found on other lists: 483<br /> * Prisoner of War [POW] Coast Guard: 610<br /> * POW compiled by Captain Arthur Moore: 663<br /> * POW compiled by www.USMM.org: 671<br /> * Died as POW Coast Guard: 37<br /> * Died as POW in prison camps or aboard Japanese ships while being transported to other camps, compiled by Captain Arthur Moore : 66<br /> * Died as POW compiled by www.USMM.org: 66<br /> * Wounded, testimony in Hearings before Congress: 12,000<br /> * Died from their wounds in Public Health Hospitals and Allied military hospitals abroad (Estimated --- records apparently destroyed): 1,100 <br /><br />Service Number serving War Dead Percent Ratio<br />M Marine 243,000* 9,487** 3.90% 1 in 26<br />Marines 669,108 19,733 2.94% 1 in 34<br />Army 11,268,000 234,874 2.08% 1 in 48<br />Navy 4,183,466 36,958 0.88% 1 in 114<br />C Guard 242,093 574 0.24% 1 in 421<br />Total 16,576,667 295,790 1.78% 1 in 56<br /><br />*Number varies by source and ranges from 215,000 to 285,000. War Shipping Administration Press Release 2514, January 1, 1946 states 243,000 mariners<br />**Total killed at sea, POW killed,buried in ABMC cemeteries, plus died from wounds ashore
 

neumanns

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Re: Merchant Marines

Nice post Ladyfish. Would be interesting to know who if any.
 

gaugeguy

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Very interesting LF. I have met a few in my life, and they party harder than any serviceman from any other branch of the service. I even met a husband and wife who were mariners on the same ship. Hard life, no doubt about that. <br /><br />Are they a part of the DoD? :confused:
 

jsfinn

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An old buddy of mine was a mariner for a couple of years - as diesel mechanic on a big ship. <br /><br />He could tell you some good stores about his travles abroad...and all the drinking that they do..
 

crab bait

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my pop was a merchant seaman.. before during an after WW2.. he joined when he was 15.. (an orphan an only had a 5th grade education..) after jumpin' off an swimming to shore from an oyster boat were he was literially slave labor,, no pay an brutally treated on the lower chesapeake bay.. in the mid 1930's..<br /><br />hitch-hiked to baltimore. where he lied about his age an got on board as an AB ( able body) machine apprentice.. worked thru an became an AB seamen .. <br /><br />the war began ..he was mostly on liberty ships.. said they were great ships.. just not great for war..they were made very quickly .. and any close concussion blast would split the hulls like a tin can... <br /><br />mine fields were the worst.. his biggest fear.. said many a time ,, he witnessed the ship in front an the ship behind blow up... and his ship go rite on unskeathed..<br /><br />didn't hear him talk about aerial attacks much.. but said the liberty ships were a joke.. two pom-pom guns i.e. popguns .. <br /><br />same with german u-boats.. not much talk.. that i remember..<br /><br />did the whole war thing an never a scratch.. an retired in '55 one year after i was born..an went to work in a steel mill..which he regretted an would always talk about standin' on the bow..goin' up & down.. lookin' out at endless water..<br /><br />i was 5 or so,, he took me on a liberty ship.. i remember it well.. boy, that was somethin else.. <br /><br />served 20 years an never got a dime .. a penny.. a thank you... or a nothin'... <br /><br />an the dept. of defence never even reconized 'em .. untill recent years..<br /><br />an they lost more percentage of men then any branch of any U S armed forces...
 

Link

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Man this suxs.<br />I spent almost two hours looking up data to support what you said.. then it was poofed .. not Iboats... would like blame it on my mouse.. but I right clicked instead of left clicked... ACK! <br /> :(
 

LadyFish

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Crab Bait, thank you for sharing your facinating story about your Dad. <br /> :)
 
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