Mercruiser Prop doesn't fit mercruiser

tcschweitzer

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I have a 21 ft crownline deckboat, about 4000-4500 lbs wet weight. Our lake has a 200 hp limit on inboards so I purchased the merc 4.3L instead of the 4.3LX or 5.7. The boat had an aluminum 19 pitch prop that seemed to work ok. I had a mechanic tune the engine and carbs for performance, he told me it would run more like the LX and I could expect about a 10- 20 hp boost. I've never verified this other than feeling a significant power increase. My WOT speed was always about 40, not sure about RPM, i'll verify tomorrow. After the tune-up the boat still runs about 38-40 but it will do that now with 8 people in the boat and my holeshot with skiers is awesome. Because of the power increase and worry about redlining the engine I bought a 21 pitch stainless prop. WHAT A DIFFERENCE, my top speed is now between 42-46 mph and I have good holeshot with 6 or less people in the boat. Last season I had too many people in the boat for that 21 pitch prop. We had 9 men and gear and although I could run 35-38 mph it took WOT to get on plane. Worried about ruining the engine I went to the local marine store and bought a preowned quicksilver 19 pitch SS prop. The boat ran great after that, in fact, I can only run on about 80% throttle with the SS prop or I redline. I always wondered why I could run WOT with the aluminum prop but not with the SS. I'm assuming the aluminum would flex to a 20 pitch or so under the load.

My mechanic doesn't believe me when I told him I was redlining with a 19 pitch. He was surprised I could even get on plane with the 21 pitch. I showed him video and couldn't believe it. He told me my tach was probably off. I told him that I've been around engines all my life and I can HEAR when an engine is redlining and I was redlining at WOT with the 19 pitch.

After we got back from a 3 hour run down Table Rock lake I noticed the drive oil reservoir was full, expanded and under pressure. The outdrive was pushing oil up into the reservoir. I changed the fluid and noticed the 19 pitch SS prop I just bought had about a 1/4 play on the shaft. And no, I didn't forget the thrust washer when I swapped the props. I googled the serial number of the prop and it is in fact a quicksilver prop built for mercruiser alpha one's. Why would this prop not fit? The vibration was causing the oil to heat up. I swapped props and never had a problem again. No one can seem to tell me why this prop has so much play on the shaft. Advice is appreciated.

Also, am I crazy for running at 21 pitch 3 blade on a tuned 4.3L?
 

Chris1956

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Different year Alpha drives have different gear ratios. They also match the gear ratio to the motor. You should find out what your gear ratio is.

For example, I ran a 21P Rapture on my '88 4.3LX. My neighbor ran a 23P Rapture on his newer 4.3L motor. His gear ratio was lower than mine, and we had about the same performance.

In your case, it sounds like you have some sort of gearcase issue, assuming you have the right thrust washer.
 

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the 19 pitch SS prop I just bought had about a 1/4 play on the shaft

Ayuh,..... Welcome Aboard,...... If the prop is slidin' on the shaft, yer missin' some mountin' hardware,....

But,..... Mercruiser prop shafts, also move in, 'n out, 'bout that much, normally,.....
 

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My info indicates the 4.3L is a 1.81 ratio ,all other 4.3 options are 1.62.
The 1.81 makes it much easier to turn the prop.1.81 is for a 190 hp.
The 1.81 isn't that far removed from the older 3.0s with a 1.98 ratio and at 190hp is likely more than 50 hp more
And now your at 205 or maybe more.
If you do some lightly loaded test runs with your various props get us the wot rpm and gps speed
we can help tell if your numbers make sense.
 
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tcschweitzer

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Play is forward-aft and more than the normal play with my other props. It's also not the prop shaft, it's the actual prop moving on the shaft. Someone suggested the prop may have been rehubbed for an outboard or an older pre alpha one that may of had a shorter shaft??? Make any sense?? I measured the hub and it's 1/4 shorter that the other props, it's seems like i'd need 2 thrust washers to make it work.

steelespike, i'm planning on doing WOT runs this weekend. I just changed my gimbal bearing and want to test everything before our vacation. Good information about the gear ratios. That would explain the holeshot improvement and not top end speed with the engine tune up.

I always wondered why my boat had more holeshot than my parents maxum with the 4.3lx. Probably the lower gearing. The lx doesn't have that much more power and is geared higher. Their boat will top out about 48-50 mph though.
 

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Merc V6 props fit MerCruisers w/o alteration. Anyway, if the prop is just moving in/out on the propshaft, rig up some sort of spacer. Some Merc Props have a separate splined fitting with the "fingers" on it to accept the spider washer. Do you have that piece? Of course, some Merc Props have the fingers as part of the prop.
 

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Play is forward-aft and more than the normal play with my other props. It's also not the prop shaft, it's the actual prop moving on the shaft. Someone suggested the prop may have been rehubbed for an outboard or an older pre alpha one that may of had a shorter shaft??? Make any sense?? I measured the hub and it's 1/4 shorter that the other props, it's seems like i'd need 2 thrust washers to make it work.

Ayuh,.... The props are the Same for All of the Alpha drives, big outboards, 'n single prop Bravos,.....

But,...
There are several different thickness thrust hubs available for different props,....

My guess is, ya just need the thicker thrust hub,.....
 

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I always wondered why my boat had more holeshot than my parents maxum with the 4.3lx. Probably the lower gearing. The lx doesn't have that much more power and is geared higher. Their boat will top out about 48-50 mph though.

Gearing doesn't affect performance much, it greatly affects which prop you need to run.
 

tcschweitzer

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21 pitch stainless ran 42 mph 4 passengers half tank of gas. WOT RPM was about 4650. Boat runs good with the 21 except for skiing. Most of the people I'm pulling are 200 lb men and it takes a few seconds to get them out of the water. 19 pitch pulls them up immediately but my RPMS exceed 4700 which makes me nervous. Top speed is around 38 with 19 pitch.
 

Chris1956

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well, the 21P prop is best for cruising. I would be too lazy to change the prop for skiing, if the guys didn't curse me out, and the ski starts were reasonable.
 

steelespike

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You missed 2 key words"lightly loaded" on that test run. It's ok to over rev a little to get the settled numbers.
I did your calculation based on a 21" calculating a ss prop it is suggested to add an inch. I calculated using a 22" prop
Numbers seem reasonable using a 1.81 ratio 21" calculates at 17% slip, Using a 22" prop slip is 21%
Thats keeping in mind 800 lbs in people alone.
 
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