Mercury Marine

jegervais

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Found this on BI-Online today:<br /><br />Mercury accuses Japanese builders of predatory practices <br /><br />Boating Industry<br />Thursday January 8, 2004<br /><br />FOND DU LAC, Wis. - Mercury Marine has filed a petition with the U.S. Department of Commerce and the U.S. International Trade Commission asserting that Japanese manufacturers of outboard engines have violated U.S. anti-dumping laws, the company reported in a statement today.<br /><br />"Our analysis shows that for some time Japanese manufacturers have been selling their outboard engines in the United States at prices well below what they sell for in Japan," said Mercury President Patrick C. Mackey. "This predatory practice substantially damages U.S. manufacturers and is not permitted under U.S. law."<br /><br />Mercury said that if Japanese manufacturers were found in violation of the law, the U.S. government could impose duties on Japanese-manufactured outboards sold in the United States.<br /><br />Mercury Marine is a division of Lake Forest, Ill.-based Brunswick Corp.<br /><br />Comments???
 

Elmer Fudge

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Almost everything costs more in Japan than it does here in the U S.
 

Cannon

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OMC won patent infringment lawsuits against Yamaha in the early eighties. Some of the parts were carbon copies.
 

andrewkafp

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But it's a sign of the times..<br />20 Years ago, you probably wouldn't dream of buying a Japanese outboard. But competition and technology has really changed things and the Japs make some real good motors now.<br />And some pretty nice Guitars too.. Ibanez for example.<br /><br />To the extent where they are very competitive internationally. 20 years from now we may be running a Chinese or Korean brand of motor.
 

roscoe

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"Similar" to the actions cited by Japanese motorcycle manufacturers against Harley Davidson.<br />Harley won the support of the gov't which imposed tariffs on Japanese cycles for a number of years back in the eighties.
 

pjc

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And as a result of those tariffs, Harley gained market share--became more profitable.<br /><br />And Harley then asked the Fed. to eliminate the tariff, which the Fed did, before the sunset date due to the success of the tariff.<br /><br />Bottom line is that tariff actions can and do work.
 

jegervais

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And today, Yamaha fires back:<br /><br />Yamaha vigorously denies outboard dumping allegations <br /><br />Boating Industry <br />Friday January 9, 2004<br /><br />KENNESAW, Ga. – Yamaha Motor Corp., U.S.A. issued yesterday afternoon what it called “a vigorous denial” of the allegations by Brunswick Corp. that Yamaha is dumping outboard motors in the U.S. market. <br /><br />Mercury Marine reported early yesterday that it had filed a petition with the U.S. Department of Commerce and the U.S. International Trade Commission asserting that Japanese manufacturers of outboard engines have violated U.S. anti-dumping laws. <br /><br />“There is no basis for the allegations of dumping,” said Yamaha Marine Group President Phillip Dyskow. “Yamaha is typically among the highest priced suppliers to the U.S. market and has been successful because of the quality and dependability of our motors, not because of price. Indeed, Yamaha has been monitoring its pricing for over a decade to ensure that it is not dumping in the U.S. market.” <br /><br />Dyskow stated in an interview this morning that the action initiated by Mercury is likely to take many months or even years to resolve; therefore, it will not impact the supply or pricing of products in the short term. <br /><br />Yamaha points out Brunswick imports from Japan <br /><br />The Yamaha executive pointed out that Brunswick has been relying on Yamaha to supply it with fully assembled four-stroke engines, power heads or cylinder heads. In fact, after Yamaha, Brunswick may be the largest importer of engines or crucial engine assemblies from Japan, Yamaha suggested. <br /><br />“It is ridiculous for Brunswick to claim injury from imports when it is reliant on the very same imports it claims are being dumped to meet demand under the Mercury brand in the fastest growing segment of the market, four-stroke engines,” Dyskow said. <br /><br />He also pointed out what he called Brunswick’s “well-publicized technical problems with the OptiMax two-stroke direct injection engines” and accused the company of trying to “disrupt the market with unfounded allegations invented to cover up its own shortcomings.” <br /><br />“These technical problems contributed to the poor showing of Mercury outboards in the J.D. Power and Associates 2002 and 2003 Marine Engine Studies,” the company stated. “In these studies, J.D. Power and Associates ranked Yamaha Highest in Customer Satisfaction with Two-Stroke Engines in the 2002 study and Highest in Customer Satisfaction with Four-Stroke Engines in both 2002 and 2003. These studies are based on responses from owners of 2001 and 2002 model year marine engines.” <br /><br />In addition, Dyskow noted that all prior attempts to show that Yamaha was injuriously dumping in the U.S. market, including its motorcycle and ATV businesses, have failed. <br /><br />“We are prepared to defend this case vigorously and are confident that ultimately we will prove these allegations to be without merit,” Dyskow said. <br /><br />The two outboard builders had not spoken about the allegations as of this morning, according to Dyskow, who declined this morning to comment on the future of their relationship. <br /><br />Other engine builders doing their research <br /><br />Yamaha isn’t the only engine builder that plans to comment on the allegations, however. Both Larry Vandiver of Suzuki and Dave Thompson of Bombardier said they are reserving comment until they can study the petition. <br /><br />However, Vandiver offered, “American Suzuki has always been a fair competitor.” <br /><br />Thompson stated, “Bombardier Motor Corp. of America is always sensitive to charges of serious dumping practices, which could have significant effects on out industries.” <br /><br />Honda Marine declined to comment.
 

BillP

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I actually hate to see Big Brother getting involved. When they did it for Harley it added about $700 to the purchase price of jap cycles over 700cc. I guess all the Yamaha lovers can expect to be spending bigger bucks if the charges are legit. AMF...Brunswick, it rings a bell.<br /><br />On the otherhand, Yahmaha outboards got around dumping in the early 90s by floor planning dealerships if they dropped OMC franchises and opened Yamaha franchises. Quite a few took the offer. OMC heads were pretty pixxed but it wasn't against the law. This was pre FICHT and I'm sure it helped OMC go down.
 

wilde1j

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From my limited perspective, Yamaha motors are more often than not, priced higher at retail than Merc or J/E. If "dumping" is happening, one would expect to see some result at retail (lower prices). Looks like a ploy for Brunswick to increase margins at the user's expense.<br /><br />This is just not credible, unless there are some facts I'm missing.
 

RJS

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My read on this is that Mercury probably feels it doesn't need Yamaha any more for 4-strokes and is severing the ties. They must be pretty confident about the project X engines.
 

roscoe

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Well Pat, I think the tax credits and low interest gov't backed loans, along with some major re-engineering and PR at H-D, had a lot more to do with turning the company around, than did the tariffs. <br /><br />As you know, the Japanese flooded the market with inexpensive 699cc (tariff free) bikes, and people that wanted an import touring bike bought it anyway.
 

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When I saw Mercury's comments, I immediately felt that they were biting the hands that feed them. Without Yamaha, they'd never have been able to comply with the new emissions rules when they started going into effect. Now that Project X is slated to be introduced, they seem to have a new attitude and I think they're being just plain arrogant. I don't like arrogance! As arrogance increases, respect decreases. And I've never heard anything resembling humility coming from Brunswick's CEO.<br /><br />All I can say is that Project X had better be at least all it has been hyped to be. We all remember the OptiMax fiascos in the early years. You'd think they'd have learned some humility from that. Or at least to proceed cautiously in new-generation product introductions. No factory testing can fully anticipate real world experience, and they don't seem to have learned that. Wouldn't it be interesting if Project X became Project F and Mercury had to buy even more Yamaha models to meet the emissions standards while they fixed a multitude of unexpected shortcomings as happened with the Opti's. Talk about foot-in-mouth disease!<br /><br />But you also have to consider that there are many Japaneese outboard manufacturers. They might not be referring to Yamaha per se. If not, they should have said so. We'll see how this evolves, but I wouldn't be suprised to see Mercury eating a little crow because of their early comments. Especially if Project X has problems either in concept, or manufacting enough in time to count toward their contribution to the emissions bottom line.
 

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This whole thing is a bit goofy. Merc. buys four strokes from Yamaha. Because of that, I'll bet they have a very good idea of the cost structures involved for production.<br /><br />They may very well have a legitimate claim.
 
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