Might have it figured out.....again. Resistor wire.

LAC_STS

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Well as you guys may know I have been having some problems with my new engine. At first I was just having a problem with bogging at over 4K RPM.
Then I was having a problem where only sometimes it would bogg at 3K RPM and not want to go over 3K RPM and it would backfire.

These problems were intermittent and when I would do something to the engine it would seem to work but then would start happening again.

I pumped all of the fuel out, cleaned the tank, replaced the fuel line and fuel tank vent hose, cleaned the carb and set the floats where they should be, tuned up the dist with new points, condenser and cap, put in a new coil, checked and rechecked the fuel system.

Then the past 3 or 4 times I took the boat out I thought I had it fixed.

Today I had took a buddy of mine out with me. He is an electrician for Pepsi and works on cars sometimes.

Well we go out and it starts bogging and then it started the backfirng and not wanting to go over 3K RPM.
I had talked to my friend before about testing the resistor wire that goes to the coil so he knew about it. I told him how I had to replace a coil that wasn't that old. He had read in my Seloc manual where it describes the operation and wiring of the coil and resistor.

Well we were cruising at about 3K RPM for about 20 mins and he went and felt the resistor wire and it was too hot to touch and was limp. It should cool down when higher RPM which delivers more current. Then It started another intermittent problem I have been having. Sometimes if I am at 3 K RPM or higher and I push the trim the engine will stumble and start to die.

I ran the boat about another 2 hours trying to see if it would stop doing it. Then we did a test. I hooked a wire from the battery + to the coil +. As soon as I hooked this wire up the boat ran great. No backfiring, no bogging, nothing. Just ran great. Could even push the trim without any engine stumbling. It did so the whole way (45 mins) back to the dock (was starting to rain).

When we got to the dock I unhooked the wire and when I did the engine shut off. I tried to start it again and it would crank but not start. So I must have burned the resistor wire that is supposed to supply V to the coil.

But this must be the problem. The resistor wire is heating up at idle and sometimes not cooling down enough to allow enough V to the coil. Which is also why when I push the trim the engine would stumble because it was already not getting enough V.

So I went to an auto parts store and ordered the correct ballast resistor that goes to the Accell coil I have and will unhook the resistor wire tom and run my own wire and hook the ballast resistor up. I researched getting an OEM coil but it doesn't say what the resistance range should be so if I have to replace the resistance wire I would not know what to replace it with.

So I know that today putting 12V to the coil made all of the problems stop instantly. So I'm hoping that tom when I hook the ballast resistor up with a new wire it will run like it did today.

It makes sense that a resistor wire that is 21 years old will loose some of its properties and not work right or not heat up and cool down cool down right. And for all I know someone has cut the wire before which is not supposed to be done.




What do you guys think?
 

LAC_STS

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Re: Might have it figured out.....again. Resistor wire.

Oh man I just realized how long this one was.


Thanks so much everyone for reading all of my long posts and helping me. I appreciate it so much. I have learned so much from this site.
 

Alpheus

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Re: Might have it figured out.....again. Resistor wire.

Do you have a multimeter? This all could have been checked in minutes weeks ago. Did you unhook the resistor wire to the coil before you hooked up the other hot lead? or did you just parallel the circuit??? If you just hooked the new wire up with the old one still attached you just created a parallel circuit. which means you just forced 12 volts to go through your resistance wire. (to much pressure) It probably completely burned it up now and thats why it wouldn't start again...

he went and felt the resistor wire and it was too hot to touch and was limp. It should cool down when higher RPM which delivers more current.

Why would it cool down at higher RPM"s? Its actually opposite than what you are saying. Higher RPM's = more current and that creates more friction in the resistor and friction = heat.The problem sounds like your resistor wire has to much resistance and is not delivering enough voltage to the coil. The key word you mention is "Heat". Yes the resistor lowers the voltage in the circuit and inturn the energy is dissipated as heat. But your resistance is way to high (to much friction) that resistor is creating to much heat for the wires to handle. Like I said this could have been checked with an Ohm meter. When you hooked up the other 12 volt lead it gave the voltage that your coil needed, but popped the original wire...
 

LAC_STS

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Re: Might have it figured out.....again. Resistor wire.

I have been confused by this resistor crap. I did not have a meter with me when we were out.

He felt the wire while we were cruising at about 3K RPM and had been for about 20 mins. This is what my manual says: It should cool down when running at a higher RPM. The wire was limp and burning hot.

While the engine is operating at idle or slow speed, the cam on the
distributor shaft revolves at a relatively slow rate. Therefore, the breaker
points remain closed for a slightly longer period of time. Because the points
remain closed longer, more current is allowed to flow and this current flow
heats the ballast resistor and increases its resistance to cut down on current
flow thereby reducing burning of the contact points.
During high rpm engine operation, the reduced current flow allows the
resistor to cool enough to reduce resistance, thus increasing the current flow
and effectiveness of the ignition system for high-speed performance.
 

LAC_STS

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Re: Might have it figured out.....again. Resistor wire.

It was hooked up in paralel like you said. I prob burned the crap resistor wire which is why it wouldnt start again adn why it stopped the engine when I unhooked it.


Thanks Eric. I wonder if that Merc one is the same as the OMC uses? Not being smart a** just saying. I already ordered the one that goes with me Accel coil so I guess Ill see how that goes.

This winter when I pull the boat I am going to be putting in the Delco electronic IGN kit.


Thanks
 

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Re: Might have it figured out.....again. Resistor wire.

Electricity will always take the path of least resistance. By hooking up parallel, you removed all of the load from the resistor wire. Is this a points system? I was taught years ago in high school that at higher RPM your points spend more time open and therefor your resistor wire (or ballast) runs cooler thus supplying higher V when necessary.

Its possible you ruined your coil or your points/ignition module running full V for 45 minutes. Should not have affected your resistance wire.
 

LAC_STS

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Re: Might have it figured out.....again. Resistor wire.

About the points staying open longer is what I was referring to in the manual. We felt the res wire after we were going thru the 20 min no wake zone out to the channel and it was really hot and limp. Then after running it over 3K RPM for a while it never cooled down. So that's why we came to the conclusion that the res wire was old and defective and it wasn't giving enough power to the engine at higher RPMs.


What's the points ign module? I figured it could have either ruined the wire or coil.

I was just thinking the wire because it was running fine until I unhooked the jumper wire. When I did that it cut off. So I figured it wasn't the coil. Guess I will know tom. It's worth it to me because i figured if I figured it out.

I have gotten some conflicting info on all this. I had a thread about testing the resistance of the wire and was told that I would have to cut the wire at the splice and hook my meter up to both ends of the wire with nothing hooked up to it to get a reading. I was told that if I tried to get a reading with it hooked up I fried my meter (which I didn't).

I stopped trying to test it because the wire goes into a splice with another wire before going to the alt. I didn't want to cut it to test it because I thought you weren't supposed to cut a resistance wire.

I dunno.

Tom I will have the correct ballast resistor for my coil and I will run a new wire. I will see if the engine will start then. I will also change the points out again incase I burned them.


Thanks again everyone.
 

Autotech1

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Re: Might have it figured out.....again. Resistor wire.

What's the points ign module?

I wasn't sure if you were points or electronic. Some (dodge) use a ballast resistor in their electronic ignitions. I meant points OR ign module.
 

LAC_STS

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Re: Might have it figured out.....again. Resistor wire.

Went to the boat today. When I got the there the boat did start but it ran like crap even at idle which it never did before.

So I took the old resistor wire off, and hooked up the new ballast resistor. Started it up and it still ran a little off but not as bad as with the old resistor wire a few mins before.

I checked the dwell and it was only off 1 degree but the timing was off 6 degrees. It was at 2 instead of 8.

So I took the dist cap off and checked the points. They looked a little worn but not bad. I regaled them to the propper dwell and checked the timing again. It had moved to 4 degrees so I set it to 8.

I ran the boat at idle and all seemed well. I took it out and it ran GREAT all day. No bogging no backfiring nothing but a great running engine.

I kept an eye on the coil all day. The old coil would get pretty hot. When I had the jumper wire it got really hot.
With the new ballast resistor it never got hot at idle which it used to do. It did get a little hot after running at high rmp for a while, but not as hot as before with the old resistor wire.

So I've said this before but all appears well now. Boat runs better than it did before even when I thought it was running good.

Oh yea. And I don't have and problems when I'm using my trim at high rpm any more. My V also doesn't go down 3-4 V when I use the trim any more either.

I'm still going to go pick up a set of points and condensor Monday and change them.


Thanks everyone
 
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