more ethenol?

[thedinz]

Just got an email from us boats, thoughts?

http://www.boatus.com/gov/RFS.asp

 

[Twidget]

Our local car radio show guy, Ed Wallace, had a story about this a year or so ago. From what I remember, auto makers and engine makers were trying to sue to get the law stopped. The courts told them that they could not sue because they were not the end user that would be affected. I didnt see a search function, but his site is insideautomotive.com.

 

[jkust]

I seem to recall back when this was in the news cycle a year or so ago that the auto manufacturers said their warranties wouldn't cover use of e15?

 

[21BaylinerCC]

I received the same email. The EPA is asking for comments on the matter... You can send them through the email

 

[Watermann]

I don't see that E15 being anything but 5% worse fuel that is already being forced down our filler necks. I'm glad our local bulk fuel companies provide 92 octane non-ethanol fuel at their cardlock plants. Guess all good things come to an end, I'm sure someday down the road the nanny state will decide that selling fuel without that corn crap floating on the bottom of the tank should be illegal.

 

[WIMUSKY]

IDK, my toys only get premium which is ethanol free....

 

[Bondo]

Ayuh,..... Non-ethanol became available 'round here 3 or 4 years ago,.....

None of my power toys have burnt ethanol since,.....

 

[Brian 26]

A couple stations by me started selling E15, they call it "Unleaded Plus"

Non ethanol is hard to find by me, I burn 87 octane 10% ethanol in my boat

 

[Blind Date]

I've run E10 in every boat I've owned(everything else for that matter) in the last 27 years. That's 6 boats, carb/EFI outboards & carb/EFI sterndrives. Never a problem. My old '79 CVX18 w/228 MerCruiser runs exactly the same with E10 as it does with straight gas. I've tried both. Zero difference in how it starts, runs & performs.

​If you get a warm fuzzy spending all that money on 92 octane non-ethanol gas, go for it! My boats run like champs on 87 octane E10. I'll save my money to buy more gas!.....LOL

 

[jkust]

I dislike ethanol coming from the state that first mandated it because of the egregious intellectual dishonesty surrounding it. That said, the only trouble I've ever had with it is my last carbureted snowmobile where as the EFI ones never skip a beat. I may change my tune when I fire up my 1970's 18hp OB some day. I don't bother with buying ethanol free because of course there is rarely a benefit to buying a higher octane when the engine doesn't require it (I say rarely because when you have the run-on issue and a higher octane will mask the symptom nicely) and I burn through so much gas so quickly in my boats it is just amazing and it never sits long enough to phase separate. It's nothing to buy 30 gallons a day for us when we are at our lake house having fun.

 

[aspeck]

Recently talked to my local marina mechanics (my brother and a good friend). Their take on the E10 has changed over the years. They absolutely hated it at the beginning, but now they seem to feel that it is a boat by boat case. Some do well with it and others do not ... not an across the board type of thing and one brush won't paint all applications. I guess that sums up my feelings about E15 also. The only problem I have had with it is that my 2010 Yukon had a sensor in the gas tank that failed to read the ethanol content in the tank and messed up my performance till I had the sensor replaced and calibrated.

So, the short answer, could be good, could be bad. Depends on your engine ... and your use/non-use of said engine.

 

[Blind Date]

All my carb'd Polaris snowmobiles(6) I've owned over the years ran just fine on E10. I started putting put non-ethanol gas in my kids '07 Polaris 120 snowmobile and had nothing but problems with it. Ran perfect the prior seasons it was run on ethanol gas. Now it only gets a diet of E10. I guarantee you I won't be pulling the carb off this winter like the last 2 seasons & cleaning it out to get it to run correctly. I also had it in the wives '03 550 Classic and it went bad in a month. No more non-ethanol gas for that either.

I agree with the dishonesty surrounding ethanol, but not all the supposed issues it causes. My anectdotal experience is that straight gas is more problematic than ethanol gas.

 

[jkust]

All my carb'd Polaris snowmobiles(6) I've owned over the years ran just fine on E10. I started putting put non-ethanol gas in my kids '07 Polaris 120 snowmobile and had nothing but problems with it. Ran perfect the prior seasons it was run on ethanol gas. Now it only gets a diet of E10. I guarantee you I won't be pulling the carb off this winter like the last 2 seasons & cleaning it out to get it to run correctly. I also had it in the wives '03 550 Classic and it went bad in a month. No more non-ethanol gas for that either.

I agree with the dishonesty surrounding ethanol, but not all the supposed issues it causes. My anectdotal experience is that straight gas is more problematic than ethanol gas.

It's funny, I haven't run non-ethanol gas since it was mandated way back when. I actually have no idea what differences there might be...I understand mileage drops with ethanol because of the lower amount of energy in it vs gasoline but again I haven't a clue how it might affect me. All the gas stations on our lake are 92 non-ethanol but I never gas up on the lake and instead have a bunch of 5 gallon cans. Don't get me started on the EPA mandated safe gas cans. The upshot of the one issue I've had ethanol related with my final carbed sled is that I'm not intimidated to pull off a carb and clean it like I used to be. Plus isn't ethanol actually higher octane than regular gas?

 

[Scott Danforth]

I know that OPEI was trying to get the law stopped as well. anything over E10 voids most of your air cooled outdoor power equipment warranties as well. Kawasaki, Honda, Briggs and Subaru are against it based on the last conference I attended.

 

[bruceb58]

The only thing E10 does is reduce your mileage a little. If you don't get enough water in your fuel to cause phase separation, it's a waste of money to buy high octane non-ethanol fuel.

E10 cause a 2%-3% reduction in fuel mileage. If you can get no ethanol fuel for less than 2%-3% increase, then you are ahead. If you pay more, then you aren't.

 

[H20Rat]

Plus isn't ethanol actually higher octane than regular gas?

Yep, e85 is around 110-120 octane. In a well tuned turbocharged engine with a lot of boost, e85 is pure rocket fuel! You can crank up the boost and timing way, way past what is possible on 93 octane, and in some cases, its better than race gas.

 

[H20Rat]

I dislike ethanol coming from the state that first mandated it because of the egregious intellectual dishonesty surrounding it.

I'm curious what you mean by that? Ethanol was introduced as a MTBE replacement, which is some fairly nasty stuff, at least if you ever like drinking water or not having cancer. Ethanol then got caught up in the environmental madness, which is what it is...

 

[bruceb58]

Ethanol was introduced as a MTBE replacement

Yep...MTBE and Ethanol are used as oxygenators to reduce emissions. The use of it as a renewable fuel is the secondary reason it is used.

 

[Twidget]

Call me crazy, but taking food to make fuel when you dont have to seems a little on the daft side.

 

[jbcurt00]

Pure-gas.org will help you locate ethanol free gas