motor height question

ReelDrag

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I have a 1985 17ft Proline CC with a 115 Johnson. After reading some past posts reguarding motor height I thought I may benefit from raising my motor. Maybe some extra fuel mileage and speed. Current top speed is 35mph at 5400rpm fully loaded. I'm using a 13 1/4 X 15 Stiletto prop. Cavitation plate is now about 1/4 to 1/2 inch above the keel. What kind of changes can I expect in speed and economy by raising the motor? Will this have an effect on rpms? Also, how far can I go without getting into problems?
 

MajBach

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Re: motor height question

While you folks are answering this, could you also tell me this: how do you judge the 'bottom' of the boat? So far, all I have read here is that cav. plate should be about level with the bottom of the boat. This seems obvious to me only on a flat bottom. What about a mod-V or gull-wing?<br /><br />Also, on heavier motors, is there a home-garage type method for raising ot lowering a motor? Jack it up? Bolt it to something and winch it up? Fianlly, what do you use to seal the bolt holes and how do you apply it?
 

rickdb1boat

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Re: motor height question

ReelDrag <br /><br />Raising the engine is a process of trial and error until you find the best height. You want it just high enough to gain RPM's and speed without the prop cavitating(Blowing out). As for the gains in speed and RPM's, that can only be know after you raise it up and test it. You may or may not be at the correct height right now. I would raise it in 1/2" increments and test it out.<br /><br />For MajBach <br /><br />The very bottom of the keel is what is reffered to as the bottom of the hull. If has a "V" to it, which many do, the very bottom of the "V" is it. As for raising or lowering the motor, a car jack will work fine placed under the skeg and slowly raised or lowered. 3M 5200 is the choice of sealers for the bolt holes. You can just squeeze it from the tube into the holes and do the finishing off with a putty knife as it dries.
 

BillP

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Re: motor height question

The way you tell if the motor is too high is cavitation in turns. I shows up there first. How much cavitation you can live with in turns is how high the motor should be...trial and error.
 

Dhadley

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The correct height for any rig is a combination of things. You have to take in account hull design, propeller type, prop design, balance and your specific designed useage.<br /><br />Take two identical flats boats for example. Both are the same brand, model and 20' boat. Both have hydraulic jackplates. Both have the same motor -- stock 2004 ABC 150's. Both are pad bottom stepped hulls with 2 lifting strakes per side. Neither are air entrapment hulls. <br /><br />Boat #1 is set up for tournament fishing. 2 guys, a full 30 gal livewell, 50 gal fuel and a release tank that will (hopefully) be full, another 30 gal water. Theres a trolling motor in the front with batteries (lots of nose weight). The biggest and heaviest of both. The trolling motor may get used as much as 6 hours a day so the batteries better keep up. There is a 4th battery to help keep up with all the pumps and other 12 volt gear. These guys want the boat to perform as best it can with a lot of weight in calm to very moderate conditions.<br /><br />Boat #2 is a weekend fisherman. Still 2 guys but they fish artifical bait so the weight of the livewell water isnt a factor. They never carry more than 25 gal fuel. The release tank will never get water in it as these guys are on the filet and release program. They have a trolling motor but its a bit smaller and lighter. The batteries are smaller too and in the back (less nose weight). If they use the trolling motor for a total of 4 hours, its a lot in one day. Since they arent running livewell pumps there is no 4th battery. These guys want the most speed with a minimum of weight. <br /><br />Lets further assume they both want 4 blade props. That simplifies things even further yet you can see how both would have totally different props. <br /><br />Now what if one doesnt have a hydraulic plate? The motor is in a fixed position on the transom. It may not be able to be raised high enough to take advantage of the 4 blade technology.<br /><br />What if one doesnt care about fishing or running in the flats or shallow water? But the other one is so he is very concerned about being able to jack the motor high enough, and still run, over those shallow spots. So now you need a prop that will still hook up running at a very high X dimension from time to time. The other isnt concerned about shallow water but he does run in what can become very rough water. Remamber, he doesnt have a hydraulic jackplate so he cant drop the motor slightly. The motor has to be positioned so he can still maintain control of the boat when it gets rough.<br /><br />Now, what if you still have 2 20' fishing boats but one is a pad bottom stepped hull and is an air entrapment hull. The other is a conventinal V bottom. No pad, step or air entrapment. 3 lifting strakes per side. <br /><br />Well, you get the idea. It comes down to defined usage.
 

LubeDude

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Re: motor height question

Dehadley: Great explination, different strokes for different folks, or different heights for different flights.
 

MajBach

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Well, it just seems kinda wierd to be to count the bottom part of a V as the bottom of the boat. I have been wanting to try raising the motor ever since reading here that a Dol-phin and such allows one to raise the 'X-dimension'. My motor sits where it was when the dealer set it up. I did try lowering it to it's lowest position (it is/was one hole up from lowest) some time ago. I lost a fair bit of top end, hole shot was kinda bow high but what really surprised me was how much EASIER it ventilated in a turn. I immediately raised it back up. But everyone says that the Dol-phin should run out of the water or level with it at speed and mine is about an inch below.<br /><br />You think using a floor jack is OK, huh? I would have thought 450# resting on the skeg was a lot of force to place on 1/4 inch of soft metal.
 

Dhadley

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LubeDude, I like the "different heights for different flights" deal.
 

LubeDude

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You have my permision to use the "quote" any time you want!! :D
 

Jdeagro

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Dale;<br /><br />Your answers are getting as long as mine - Good Post.
 

BillP

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DH, I liked that post!<br /><br />ReelDrag,<br />I had a 1980 20' Proline with almost the same hull as your 17. Bottoms were vitually identical except for length. I asked the dealer to install the motor (140 OMC)one notch up and it was perfect...but like I said, slight cavitation in abrupt turns. <br /><br />Here's a pic of one like it.<br /><br />
20Proline1980.jpg
 

ReelDrag

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Re: motor height question

BillP, when you raised the motor 1 hole where did that put the cav. plate in relation to the keel?
 

BillP

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Man, that was in 1980 but if memeory serves right it was 1-1/2" above the bottom. I had the motor set this way from the showroom so don't know how performance was changed from standard mounting. If you are pulling skiers or hauling heavy loads it isn't a good idea to go high.
 
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