Motor revs up when I shake it back and fourth?

Lupus71

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Hey guys sorry gonna be along post,been working on my 65 9.5 Johnson and I replaced a bad coil, condenser, fuel pump gasket, new fuel lines, set points cleaned carb and did a decarb that didn't seem to do much and I did it by specs but anyway I took it out on the lake and it seemed to be a hair slow but I wasn't sure so we went on and an hour later it starts bogging and dying and acts like its running on one cyl,. So I take out the plugs and they look dry so fire it up and head to dock. It starts to bog again so I shook the motor back and fourth as I was moving and it started to pick up speed so I drained the carb and then it ran great but it did this last time which is why I replaced all that stuff and I'm not sure what to do. One other thing, I put new plugs in it and it had j6c in it so I put jc4 which is factory but the top piston hits it and closes the plugs up, there is about a fingernail thickness of carbon on the pistons so two questions, is that a lot, and could that be the prob? Thanks
 

OptsyEagle

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Re: Motor revs up when I shake it back and fourth?

Well, I am not an expert on your particular model but I do have a few questions that may help narrow down the culprit. When it bogs down, does it seem to die on you or just move along at a significantly reduced power?

If the answer is that it runs OK but with reduced power, I would suspect you are indeed running on only one cylinder. If this is the case, try pulling each spark plug at a time to see if it dies (use insulated plyers to pull boots). If it dies you can be sure you were only running on one cylinder and the working one was the one you just pulled. Now try switching the spark plug boots and clips and do the "pull one spark plug boot at a time" test again to see if the problem stays with the same cylinder or moves to the other one. If the problem moves to the other cylinder, then the problem is most likely ignition related and if it stays with the same cylinder, it is more mechanical (compression, leaf valves, crankcase seals, head gaskets, etc.) or the spark plugs themselves.

If the problem is, that it wants to die when it bogs down, try pumping the primer bulb to see if that revives it. If it does, then the problem is most likely fuel pumping related. This could be your fuel pump, fuel hose, tank venting, air leaks or carb intake valve sticking. Instead of going into how to isolate all of those it is best you report back to save time.

As for the piston hitting your spark plug, I cannot see why it would happen with the J4Cs and not the J6Cs, so perhaps this is your overall issue. J4C is the right spark plug so it is a mystery to me at this point, why your pistons would be hitting them. You may need to pull the cylinder head and take a look in there. A finger nail of carbon is probably not too much but it doesn't hurt to clean it up. I don't know how you did the seafoam decarb but I personally like to just spray large amounts of pure seafoam right into the carb throat while the motor is running at a fast idle. Then I spray it until the motor stalls. Take out the spark plugs and spray good quantities into the plug holes while manually turning the flywheel. Let it sit for 1 hour. Then start it up and spray some more through the carb. Then take it out and run it hard to blow out the crud left behind. I prefer that method then the "seafoam in the gas" method, since sometimes the "in the gas" method dislodges stuff that might be in the carb jets, fuel hoses and/or fuel tank, causing new problems.
 

Lupus71

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Re: Motor revs up when I shake it back and fourth?

Thanks man gonna try some stuff tomorrow. It was bogging to the point that it would die if I didn't let off. It ran at about 95% today and would randomly seem to reach full potential at wot kind of in and out then gone for a few and return. I'm thinking maybe the points are dirty, old, or not quite right.
 

Lupus71

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Re: Motor revs up when I shake it back and fourth?

Also the jc4 plugs are a little longer so I'm wondering if the top piston has some worn ( not sure what you call them) things that Connect the piston to the crankshaft, pins, bushing, whatever. Oh yeah i forgot when i got home from the lake i drained the carb again and the gas came out orange and i pumped some through it and it went back to the normal blue. New tank new gas new lines, whats that all about?How much is this 50yr old motor worth?
 

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Re: Motor revs up when I shake it back and fourth?

You say the J4Cs are a little longer. With Champion, the "J" indicates the geometrical design size of the plug. All of there spark plugs that start with "J" should look to be exactly the same. The other different numbers signify other differences then shape. Some fire hotter then others, some do not interfere with other electronics, etc., but the J4C should fit and look exactly like the J6C.

The connection between the piston and crank is the piston rod. It's possible that they loosen, but that problem is above my pay grade and best looked at after other more frequent culprits are eliminated.

Obviously the gas should be blue so I cannot comment on the orange look. If it was water it would seperate so it is a mystery to me since you have most likely gone through a few new carb bowls of gas very recently. I suspect a carb bowl of gas wouldn't last longer then 10 to 20 seconds at wide open throttle (WOT) with your motor.

As for its worth. It depends on where you live and how many are available, but since it was made 47 years ago, but retains absolutely no collector value, due to how many were produced and are still available, I would have to say ... it's not worth very much.
 
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