N Korea helping Iran with nuclear testing

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North Korea is helping Iran to prepare an underground nuclear test similar to the one Pyongyang carried out last year.

Under the terms of a new understanding between the two countries, the North Koreans have agreed to share all the data and information they received from their successful test last October with Teheran's nuclear scientists.

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[RubberFrog]

Re: N Korea helping Iran with nuclear testing

We're going to drop a nuke sooner or later.

 

[WillyBWright]

Re: N Korea helping Iran with nuclear testing

Bush's naming them into the Axis of Evil kinda made that inevetible, didn't it? That will go down near the top of the top ten of his biggest political blunders. He took out the one with the least liklihood of success hoping to scare the other two, probably thanks to Rove's alleged brilliance. Instead he scared the two most likely to succeed into an alliance. Nuclear war is all but certain now. :'(

The Bush administration's spectre of a smoking gun in the form of a mushroom cloud from Iraq was just that, a spectre. We've moved to the next step now, and our activity in Iraq has hastened a very real threat to the point where a terrible action is probably unavoidable.

Congradulations are in order. George Walker Bush will definately go down in history. I just wish it would have been for benevolent reasons. Not for being the worlds most tragic failure.

 

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Re: N Korea helping Iran with nuclear testing

Or Israel will..

 

[snapperbait]

Re: N Korea helping Iran with nuclear testing

My money is on Israel........ They have the guts that we seem to lack at the top level....

 

[crunch]

Re: N Korea helping Iran with nuclear testing

My money is on Israel........ They have the guts that we seem to lack at the top level....

Israel has always had the guts to do what is in their best interest. When your national survival is as directly threatened as their's is, it tends to focus the mind.

The US however seems to still have it's (liberal) head in the sand....

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A bipartisan group of lawmakers in the U.S. House of Representatives on Thursday pushed legislation to prohibit a U.S. attack on Iran without Congress' permission.

The effort, led by Rep. Walter Jones (news, bio, voting record), a North Carolina Republican who in 2005 joined calls from many Democrats for a phased U.S. withdrawal from the Iraq war, came as lawmakers voiced concerns that the Bush administration might provoke a confrontation with neighboring Iran.

"The resolution makes crystal clear that no previous resolution passed by Congress" authorizes a U.S. attack on Iran, Jones told reporters, referring to the 2002 vote by Congress authorizing the U.S. invasion of Iraq.

The joint resolution, which would have the force of law if passed by the House and Senate and signed by President George W. Bush, would waive the congressional authorization only if Iran attacked the United States or its armed forces, or if such an attack was "demonstrably" imminent.

Right, like Bush will sign that....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070118/pl_nm/iran_usa_congress_dc

 

[Plainsman]

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My money is on Israel........ They have the guts that we seem to lack at the top level....

I don't think the lack of guts is at the top level, it's turned out to be some of the people who want to be at the top that don't have any guts to stick things out when it gets tough. And that goes for the left and right of the asile.

 

[JB]

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Typical tabloid fabrication of a mountain from a molehill of info.

N. Korea has little interest and nothing to gain in offending China.

 

[BOBPELL]

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Personally I think both Iran and N. Korea are using the "nuclear weapon" threat to extract financial gains from us and European nations. Let's look at some facts ok?
1. Developing a deliverable, effective nuclear device is not like making a loaf of bread. It is enormously complicated and very expensive.
2. The people of Iran are not stupid, they do not want their little corner of the world destroyed in a counter strike.
3. The same goes for N. Korea.
4. Israel has a quite sophsicated missle launch detection system as well as the ability take out higher flying missles (as would be coming from Iran).

It's not any different than a poker game, sometimes you need to bluff to win the pot.

But just in case I'm wrong I won't be moving to Tel Aviv any time soon.

 

[crunch]

Re: N Korea helping Iran with nuclear testing

Typical tabloid fabrication of a mountain from a molehill of info.

Want to expand on that a bit JB? I've found 4 or 5 references to this report including this one...

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satell...67467802205&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull

Granted, most come from the Telegraph, but posted also on The Jerusalem Post and AP?

 

[crunch]

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1. Developing a deliverable, effective nuclear device is not like making a loaf of bread. It is enormously complicated and very expensive.

Not really true.... N. Korea's test was with a "Plutonium based weapon" which requires an very sophisticated firing circuit to "implode the device"... which is why it fizzled instead of exploding.

Iran is going with a "Uranium based weapon", (at least that is what they are enriching) that does not require a sophisticated firing circuit as it is a "gun type device"... you could build it in your basement with off the shelf materials (except the U-235) and transport it in a truck, or airplane, or shipping container, or...

 

[WillyBWright]

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I hate to assume validity, but I can't discount it. It would be a logical development among illogical ideologies. It would also bring us closer to a Biblical prophecy. I couldn't call myself a Christian if I dismissed it. However I also recall the drumbeat of the mushroom cloud convincing us to invade Iraq. Could this be a repeat of a successful tactic, albeit a falsehood the first time around? I know the boy cried "Wolf". But the wolf did eventually show.

 

[POINTER94]

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I am sure there is something that can be worked out through "Diplomacy". We need to open a "Dialogue" We need to be "Sensitive" to their desire to obtain nuclear weapons. We shouldn't "Offend" whack job dictators in any way. We should provide "Aid" and "Technical advisors" to assist their "Peaceful" applications of Nuclear Weapons.

 

[Plainsman]

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I am sure there is something that can be worked out through "Diplomacy". We need to open a "Dialogue" We need to be "Sensitive" to their desire to obtain nuclear weapons. We shouldn't "Offend" whack job dictators in any way. We should provide "Aid" and "Technical advisors" to assist their "Peaceful" applications of Nuclear Weapons.

Sounds like harry reid talking, you got a inside ear Pointer?8)
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[bekosh]

Re: N Korea helping Iran with nuclear testing

1. Developing a deliverable, effective nuclear device is not like making a loaf of bread. It is enormously complicated and very expensive.

Not really true.... N. Korea's test was with a "Plutonium based weapon" which requires an very sophisticated firing circuit to "implode the device"... which is why it fizzled instead of exploding.

Iran is going with a "Uranium based weapon", (at least that is what they are enriching) that does not require a sophisticated firing circuit as it is a "gun type device"... you could build it in your basement with off the shelf materials (except the U-235) and transport it in a truck, or airplane, or shipping container, or...

If Iran is going with a Uranium gun device, it gets real scary.
They may not feel the need to test it, and just use it operationaly right off. That's what the US did in WW2. Why give any warning that you are about to join the nuke club?

IOW. The first "test" may be at the Tel Aviv test facility.:%

 

[OldMercsRule]

Re: N Korea helping Iran with nuclear testing

1. Developing a deliverable, effective nuclear device is not like making a loaf of bread. It is enormously complicated and very expensive.

Not really true.... N. Korea's test was with a "Plutonium based weapon" which requires an very sophisticated firing circuit to "implode the device"... which is why it fizzled instead of exploding.

Iran is going with a "Uranium based weapon", (at least that is what they are enriching) that does not require a sophisticated firing circuit as it is a "gun type device"... you could build it in your basement with off the shelf materials (except the U-235) and transport it in a truck, or airplane, or shipping container, or...

If Iran is going with a Uranium gun device, it gets real scary.
They may not feel the need to test it, and just use it operationaly right off. That's what the US did in WW2. Why give any warning that you are about to join the nuke club?

IOW. The first "test" may be at the Tel Aviv test facility.:%

I thought we tested one in NM prior to the drops in Japan? I know there were two types of bombs: "Fat Boy" and another type. Is that what you are talking about? JR

 

[crunch]

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We tested the Fat boy in NM... it was a Plutonium implosion device and we didn’t know for sure if it was a dud or would ignite the atmosphere.... we knew the "gun type" (Uranium based) would work from our studies in Chicago.(Manhattan Project)

"Gun type" are simple but wasteful... They go off with about 10% of their potential for materials used.

Implosion is another ball game entirely... fairly efficient and have the added benefit of being able to be "enhanced, and/or boosted"

Think Hydrogen bomb, or in correct parlance, Thermonuclear device.

 

[WillyBWright]

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"We knew the world would not be the same. A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent. I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita. Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says, 'Now, I have become Death, the destroyer of worlds.' I suppose we all thought that, one way or another. " J. Robert Oppenheimer

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[crunch]

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Armageddon unleashed, the time of Rapture.... go for it Willy.

 

[BOBPELL]

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I still think a lot of you are missing the point.

Do you what is just as good as being the toughest kid on the block?

Everyone thinking you are the toughest kid on the block!