Need a fridge expert

stl

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We have a whirlpool refridgerator that is only about six years old. It seems to be running but the tempature in the frige section is only about 52 degrees and 18 in the freezer and this only when the door remains closed for several hours. We have two teenagers in the house so the door rarely stays closed for that long. Last week our milk spoiled about a week before the expiration date. Right now I am operating out of a mini fridge in the basement, which is normally my beer fridge. The wife is yelling at me to go buy a new one. I want to call a repairman, in case it is something simple. The last time I called a repairman I had to give him a stack of money for him to tell me that is wasn't worth fixing. Does anybody have any input on whether I should get a repairman or just buy new?
 

rwise

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Re: Need a fridge expert

does it run constantly? if so it may need charged which says it has a leak. my self I'd go get the new one, with all the features "she" wants
 

tommays

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Starting really simple have you let it do a compleat defrost<br /><br />I mean unplug it and let it meltdown compleatly its amazing were ice can form and block the air flow down to the frige section<br /><br />Same thing with the coils they can get a lot of dust bunnys<br /><br />I can say that i bought a NEW engerystar fridge about 2 years ago and it showed up pretty quick on the electric bill compared to the old one with bad 100 dollar door gaskets :) <br /><br />tommays
 

Xcusme

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I agree with tommays , on trying the defrost. I find it easier to locate the defrost timer, and manually 'trip' the timer into the defrost cycle. On most defrost timers, they have a screwdriver slot to manually turn on the defrost cycle. If the coils are frosted, several defrost cycles will usually get things working again (as long as the timer switch contacts are not defective). As the coils are defrosted, the water will flow down into a pan behind the front kick panel. This water evaporates when room air passes over the pan from a small fan.<br /><br />Defrost timers are easy to replace and cost approx. 25.00. The timer is a simple device that basically has 3 or 4 terminal connections. Most can be replaced by simply unplugging the wire harness.<br /><br />Here's the theory on why you need a defrost cycle. Every time the door is opened, warm moist air enters the box. This moisture laden air circulates past the cold frozen coils. This moisture condenses on those coils as frost. This layer of frost basically insulates the cold coils from the circulating air, raising the temperature inside the freezer compartment. The defrost timer has 2 main circuits. One circuit supplies 120v to the compressor for approx 23 hours, the other circuit goes to the defrost wires for 1 approx. 1 hour. Once a day, the compressor is electrically disconnected and the defrost wires are energized for 1 hour. The frost-ice is now melted into water which drains to an evaporation pan at floor level , where it evaporates. At the end of the defrost 'cycle', the timer disconnects the defrost wires and again powers the compressor. <br /><br />Shortly after the defrost cycle starts, you should see water flowing into the evaporation pan, as the frost is melted. Normally, the water flow will stop BEFORE the timer switches back to normal compressor 'run' mode. If there's still ice on the coils when it switches back, you'll still have a warm freezer. That is why I said earlier to manually do a couple of defrost cycles (and watch the water flow to the evaporation pan). If no water flows, you can assume 2 things. One is that the defrost timer contacts are burnt and not warming the defrost coils, second the coils are free of ice and the compressor is suspect. One last option is a defective door seal allowing warm air to enter the box. Of course opening the box 20,000 times a day could add to the problem too.<br /><br />While you're looking at the evaporation pan, have a peek at the lower coils for dust bunnies, and clean them out. Keeping these coils free of debris insures the efficiency of the refrigerator.<br /><br />BTW,I'm no expert and I don't play one on TV, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night. :D
 

RetNav

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sta, as has been said, defrost it first. Then make sure the condenser coils (either behind the box or under the box) are clean. I have seen them act exactly like you describe from the coils being mostly blocked. Good luck.
 

stl

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I have to admit that I have not been as diligent about cleaning the coils as I have in the past. I cleaned them last week when I started noticing problems. Today I cleaned them even more. I unplugged it and let it defrost then I took the back lower panal off and cleaned out all of the dust. from back there. I could also reach the back of the coils better from back there. I also took off the back panel in the freezer. There was not much ice there but some. It looked like some had melted. I did notice the drip pan had water in it and last week it did not. I plugged it back in to see what will happen. Ill keep you posted. Thanks for the help.
 

stl

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Update I was finally able to locate and manually trip the defrost timer I maually tripped it three times in a row. I could hear the water melt and sizzle in the freezer section. That was about three and a half hours ago. The temp is down to 44 degrees that the lowest it been since I started checking, but still seems a little high. Could it be the compressor?
 

SS MAYFLOAT

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Doubt if it is the compressor. If your evaporator has become completely frozen blocking all air flow, it takes a very long time to defrost it. Usually the heating elements are located on the front and bottom of the evaporator coil. The ice build up beyond and above the heating coil will remain even after several cycles. <br /><br />I agree with the others a defrost timer is your problem. Simple easy fix. Also you should have a condensor fan that is located in the bottom next to the compressor. Make sure it is running and the blades are clean (as well as the coils). Airflow across the condensor coils makes the unit run more efficient. <br /><br />Your model being 6 years old has the new technology and freon.<br /><br />Your temp being lower but not in the proper zone of 34 to 41 (0 to -10 for the freezer)tells me your evap coil is still blocked with ice. Best way to tell is to remove the cover and take a look. If you still have ice, a hair dryer works well in defrosting it.<br /><br />Defrost timers usually run from $15 to $40. The tiny internal motor of the timer usually burns out causing it to stop. Be glad it didn't stop in the defrost cycle. The freezer compartment will get almost like an oven. Good Luck!
 

stl

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SS Mayfloat, It is funny that you mentioned the condensor fan. I wanted to update you guys on what I found. I found that the condensor fan was not turning. It seemed one of the blades was bent. I simply bent it back in place and off she went. I normally use a brush with a long handle to clean the coils. I bet I bumped the fan blade the last time I cleaned it. I hope this will fix it.
 

SS MAYFLOAT

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Uh huh, that will do it. Glad you found the problem! I would still keep an eye on that timer. Put a mark on the timer knob/dial, then check it about 3 or 4 hours later to make sure that the mark has moved. <br /><br />BTW, dirty coils equals high head pressure on the compressor which will shorten its life. Its good to keep them clean. Actually any refrigeration or air conditioners, it is important to keep them clean. The majority of failure is due to dirty condensor coils. :cool:
 
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