Need Advice Fast about winterizing!

dellsboater

Petty Officer 2nd Class
Joined
Nov 19, 2010
Messages
193
OK guys, I have owned a checkmate with a Merc 4.3 Alpha 1, I have always drained all the water from the block, and manifolds and never had a problem, yes did lower unit service, fog, but just drained the block and manifolds. I keep it in an unheated garage Southern Wisconsin gets to 20-30 below maybe 7-15 days in the winter...

Bought a used Liberator, has GM? 350 Cobra (did not know GM made a cobra engine, but seller swears is) with OMC outdrive. Seller had bought for 6 months, bought from neighbor. He and a mechanic friend winterized it I was told.

I took it home, and opened the starboard manifold, was plugged with an inch of sand, broke through it, and light pink water came out, smelled like anti freeze, RV type, but looked a little weak. I saved some, and bought an antifreeze tester. Only one ball floated, thats 20 degrees above 0....not good, took the sample, put it in my freezer, in three hours was slush, after overnight was semi solid ice...emailed seller, said his friend used 50/50 rv antifreeze in a garbage can, sucked it up till thermostat opened and antifreeze coming out of exhaust about 5-10 minutes, then fogged and shut off.

I took sample from block, same results....should I just drain the block and manifolds and be done? Or should I pull all hoses and add more RV antifreeze after draining until it come out then close cocks, and manifold drains?

Yes I know to make sure if I drain to push a wire into drains to make sure they are not blocked....

Help me it is 25 degrees right now, winter is coming....:eek:
 

ziggy

Admiral
Joined
Jun 30, 2004
Messages
7,473
Re: Need Advice Fast about winterizing!

imho, i wouldn't believe anything the seller says w/o confirming it myself.

as for yer dilemma. i was kinda in your boat this fall. but i did it to myself. i drained my block and manifold, then introduce anti freeze via the tstat. note, not sucked it up from a bucket hoping the tstat opened. well, i used last years anti freeze that i'd saved. i got to wondering if it was good or not so i got a tester too. did ya know that ya gotta have a propylene tester to test rv pink anti freeze, the ethylene type won't test the pink proper. anyways. i got a cheap tester, ball type. in my case i various readings. 2 balls floating, another test, 4 balls floating, another test and 1 ball floating. my answer was to just drain it and be done with it. air don't freeze..... that's the way mines sitting right now. too late too. had 22*F overnight lows already. plenty enough to freeze it. we go weeks too with sub zero temps here too.
 

Fun Times

Moderator
Staff member
Joined
May 16, 2009
Messages
9,158
Re: Need Advice Fast about winterizing!

It's late, it's cold, so just go out there and drain it, leave the plugs out, And enjoy your sleep tonight.;)

Air does not freeze.
 

Bondo

Moderator
Staff member
Joined
Apr 17, 2002
Messages
71,159
Re: Need Advice Fast about winterizing!

Ayuh,.... Winterize it Exactly like you did your old motor...
The drain plugs are in the exact same places...
 

dellsboater

Petty Officer 2nd Class
Joined
Nov 19, 2010
Messages
193
Re: Need Advice Fast about winterizing!

Yes, drained it last night, left plugs out. Any novice reading this, make sure you use a screw diver or other item to make sure sand and other debris is out of manifolds and block, The manifolds were blocked pretty bad, had to really put some effort into clearing them. I emailed the previous owner, him and his "mechanic" freind used a winterizing kit they bought online, mixed rv antifreeze 50/50 with water......bad idea...

Why wouldn't you just use auto antifreeze, and staight not mixed if you are going to do it? :rolleyes:
 

dellsboater

Petty Officer 2nd Class
Joined
Nov 19, 2010
Messages
193
Re: Need Advice Fast about winterizing!

Ziggy, did not know that about the different checkers for different types of antifreeze, I even asked the guy at Auto Zone, he said antifreeze is antifreeze, he was wrong. Had some rv antifreeze left from doing our trailer, the checker can not even float 2 balls straight out of the jug!
:rolleyes:
 

Alpheus

Lieutenant Commander
Joined
Aug 3, 2009
Messages
1,759
Re: Need Advice Fast about winterizing!

Why wouldn't you just use auto antifreeze, and staight not mixed if you are going to do it?

Because its illegal and bad for the wildlife...
 

Lou C

Supreme Mariner
Joined
Nov 10, 2002
Messages
13,170
Re: Need Advice Fast about winterizing!

You gotta drain all of it, that RV stuff is not supposed to be mixed with water, it already is, thats why the -50 is the cheapest (least amount of AF) the -60 is next up and the -100 has the most. I use only the -100 and I drain first manually rodding out all drains and then backfill with the -100. That engine sounds like it sucked up sand so make sure you really rod out the drains. Make sure you pull off the big hose at the front circulating pump and let it drain and disconnect the raw water intake hose at the thermo housing and point it down in the bilge, that also drains the power steering cooler on the rear of the engine. I'd say those guys didn't know what they were doing....

Oh and the Cobra drive has 3 drain plugs on the pivot housing, that need to be drained too....
 

dellsboater

Petty Officer 2nd Class
Joined
Nov 19, 2010
Messages
193
Re: Need Advice Fast about winterizing!

That makes sence about the automobile antifreeze, very dangerous stuff to animals...

What is the pivot housing? I do see on top of the lower unit it has 2 extra drain screws, but not sure what it ment by other three...
 

Lou C

Supreme Mariner
Joined
Nov 10, 2002
Messages
13,170
Re: Need Advice Fast about winterizing!

here you go....
 

Attachments

  • cobra drain 2.jpg
    cobra drain 2.jpg
    63.6 KB · Views: 0
  • cobra drain 1.jpg
    cobra drain 1.jpg
    56.2 KB · Views: 0

HT32BSX115

Supreme Mariner
Joined
Dec 8, 2005
Messages
10,083
Re: Need Advice Fast about winterizing!

Bought a used Liberator, has GM? 350 Cobra (did not know GM made a cobra engine, but seller swears is) with OMC outdrive. Seller had bought for 6 months, bought from neighbor. He and a mechanic friend winterized it I was told.
:eek::eek:Oh no....not another Lib!! ;)

Some of the Cobras were Ford and later GM. (consider yourself lucky you DON'T have a 460 King Kobra)

As long as everything is well drained, you don't need to worry!!!


Post pictures of your Liberator!


Cheers,


Rick
 

dellsboater

Petty Officer 2nd Class
Joined
Nov 19, 2010
Messages
193
Re: Need Advice Fast about winterizing!

Ok thanks, found them, but very tight, looks like I will need to buy a bigger bladed screw driver any tricks?
What is the big one you labeled do not touch?
 

dellsboater

Petty Officer 2nd Class
Joined
Nov 19, 2010
Messages
193
Re: Need Advice Fast about winterizing!

Have not taken any yet, this is from the seller...
 

Attachments

  • side.jpg
    side.jpg
    6.1 KB · Views: 0

Don S

Honorary Moderator Emeritus
Joined
Aug 31, 2004
Messages
62,321
Re: Need Advice Fast about winterizing!

What is the big one you labeled do not touch?

Trust him, don't mess with it at all. It goes to a plate that no one knows why it's there for real. I guess it's in the water passage and since it's stainless steel, it wears better than the aluminum in the water passage. If you do take that screw out, the plate falls down. Then you pull the drive and shake it around till you get it lined back up and the screw back in. Originally there was a Cobra decal over it and you couldn't see it.
Take it out if you need you really need a hassle over the holidays. :rolleyes:
 

dellsboater

Petty Officer 2nd Class
Joined
Nov 19, 2010
Messages
193
Re: Need Advice Fast about winterizing!

Can not get drains out of outdrive, any tricks?
 

Bondo

Moderator
Staff member
Joined
Apr 17, 2002
Messages
71,159
Re: Need Advice Fast about winterizing!

Can not get drains out of outdrive, any tricks?

Ayuh,... Use a hand held Impact driver...

Something like this,...
15825_lg.jpg
 

dellsboater

Petty Officer 2nd Class
Joined
Nov 19, 2010
Messages
193
Re: Need Advice Fast about winterizing!

Thanks Bond-o....bought one at Ace, worked like a charm.....I assume they do not need to that tight when put back on....
 

Lou C

Supreme Mariner
Joined
Nov 10, 2002
Messages
13,170
Re: Need Advice Fast about winterizing!

Just put some good marine grease on the threads, and install snug not tight. Mine come right out and my boat is in salt water 6 months of the year....OMC triple guard grease is the best....
 

JoLin

Vice Admiral
Joined
Aug 18, 2007
Messages
5,146
Re: Need Advice Fast about winterizing!

Bought a used Liberator, has GM? 350 Cobra (did not know GM made a cobra engine, but seller swears is) with OMC outdrive.

Not uncommon source of confusion to a newcomer. The word 'Cobra' in this context refers to the OMC outdrive and marinization package, NOT the motor it's hooked up to.

Ford has used the 'Cobra' monicker for many years in some of its car and engine lines. OMC used the words 'Cobra' and 'King Cobra' in some of its outdrive models, which could be connected to either a Ford or GM motor.

Make sense?
 
Top