need help on a 86 125 force on a 19' bayliner capri

brian vanacker

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I am having problems with a boat I just purchased, its a 1986 bayliner 19' with a 125 force motor. My problem is when out of water the motor runs smooth and revs up to full throttle but when in the water all I can get out of it is about 2500-3000 rpm and 12-15mph. I am new to boats but know that it should perform better than this can someone help please?
 

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Re: need help on a 86 125 force on a 19' bayliner capri

First thing is to check the compression. I assume that "out of the water" means on the muffs with no load. Very different when pushing your boat.
 

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Re: need help on a 86 125 force on a 19' bayliner capri

After compression check, follow the sticky post called link and synch to make sure the throttles are opening fully when the control lever is in full forward. Are there any signs of misfiring while in the water?
 

brian vanacker

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Re: need help on a 86 125 force on a 19' bayliner capri

thanks....will check the compression when i get home this weekend. as for a misfire no it does not have one but runs real sluggish.
 

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Re: need help on a 86 125 force on a 19' bayliner capri

After the compression check, make sure you do the sticky post procedure for link and synch and then repost your results.
 

I`mNotMe

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Re: need help on a 86 125 force on a 19' bayliner capri

If my boat?

A - Check compression. Should be above 120 PSI (upper 140s - 150s is best) and within 10-15% variance from highest to lowest number.

B - Check spark on each individual plug. For this task, simply remove spark plug, use vise grips to clamp ground wire to its steel base, then get another person to turn the ignition key (to try and start the engine). As starter is cranking, look for deep blue spark on the removed plug. Yellow is weak spark. Repeat this step for each spark plug. Note: Even when quick testing, the spark plug base should always be grounded (or it might hurt its electronics). Simply pulling the plug's cap while idling might hurt its electronics as well. Thus, always best to ground the plug - for this test. If unknown history on its plugs, install new Spark Plugs as well.

C - Check gas flow. If idling rough, squeeze its primer bulb and if it revs up, then its fuel pump might be shot. If idling rough and its spitting gas out its carb, then its reed leafs might be shot. Check spark plug color as well. If color is off from each other, its one (or all) carbs might need cleaning or rebuild kits. If gas quality is unknown, use external tank (with fresh 50:1 mix gas). If existing gas filter quality / age is unknown, install new inline gas filter as well. Sometimes, all appears good but 1 x dirty carb can create same "no power under load / rough sounding" symptoms as well.

D - If timing was off (re: previous owner thought it was a idle adjustment - LOL!), it will make the engine sound good on muffs but have little power in the water. For this, one needs a timing light. At top of this Force Forum, there's a good video clip to check / adjust timing.

If all these items check out OK, I'd investigate its Prop size next. For this engine and size of boat. Prop size should be 17 or 19 Aluminum (depending on 3 or 4 blade and its average onboard weight loading). If previous owner installed a 21" Pitch (or higher size), it will "bog down" its engine as well (just like a standard vehicle starting from stop in 3rd gear.)

For now, start with the simple A (compression), B (spark) and C (gas flow) items. Then, move into the more advanced Timing and Prop Size confirmation areas.

Hope this helps.
 
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brian vanacker

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Re: need help on a 86 125 force on a 19' bayliner capri

did compression check........

cyl 1...143psi
cyl 2...147psi
cyl 3...145psi
cyl 4...144psi




followed the link for sync and that is done. gonna check the timing when the new throttle shaft link comes in hopefully tomorrow. (damn plastic)
 

brian vanacker

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Re: need help on a 86 125 force on a 19' bayliner capri

well after checking the compression, timing is set, and the carbs are in sync, new plugs installed, and new fuel filter I am in the same place as before. When i run it in the water i still can't get any higher than 2700-2800 rpm at about 13-15mph. i have checked the prop size it is a 3 blade 17 pitch so it is right.
 

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Re: need help on a 86 125 force on a 19' bayliner capri

If engine is performing correctly... then perhaps something in the alignment of the engine and the boat?

Perhaps sending some pictures of the boat showing the back and side view will help.

Is this motor the original motor of the boat?
Is the transom too high for the motor? (Measure the height of the transom. How much further below the boat does the axle of the propeller extend?)
Is the motor in its full vertical position or is it tilted when in the water? (The nose level when in the water?)
 

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Re: need help on a 86 125 force on a 19' bayliner capri

well after checking the compression, timing is set, and the carbs are in sync, new plugs installed, and new fuel filter I am in the same place as before. When i run it in the water i still can't get any higher than 2700-2800 rpm at about 13-15mph. i have checked the prop size it is a 3 blade 17 pitch so it is right.

Install a clear fuel filter between the fuel pump discharge and the carb inlet. Do a test run again and this time with the cowling off. As you reach WOT position for the throttle, verify the throttles are in horizontal position. Check make sure the clear fuel filter stays at least 50% full and finally take note of the RPM. If engine reaches at least 5000 RPM at WOT with cowling off and the clear fuel filter stayed full or at least 50% full and the throttles are in full horizontal, do a test run again but this time with the cowling on. If the problem exists again with cowling cover on, you could have exhaust leaks in the engine preventing you reaching max rpm. Repost your results. Note this is a two man diagnosis for safety purposes.
 

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Re: need help on a 86 125 force on a 19' bayliner capri

I'm wondering if maybe some part of the lower unit may not be binding. Have you tried pulling the plugs, put it in gear and try to spin the flywheel by hand.
 

brian vanacker

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Re: need help on a 86 125 force on a 19' bayliner capri

I am on my way to Washington now but when i get home I will post pics. As for being the original motor yes and no. The prior owner melted a piston and replaced the whole block and head with a used one but the lower unit is original to the boat.
 

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Re: need help on a 86 125 force on a 19' bayliner capri

Do a spark check?
Then check the fuel pump diaphragm.
 

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Re: need help on a 86 125 force on a 19' bayliner capri

Are you sure your link and sync and the carbs are being opened up all the way. Maybe post a pic of your linkage and your idle screw bar.
 

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Re: need help on a 86 125 force on a 19' bayliner capri

You do a spark check?
All the plugs burning right?
Is the linkage operating right?
Are the fuel lines soft/mushy?
Do they have any inline connectors.
The vent line clogged or pinched?
 

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Re: need help on a 86 125 force on a 19' bayliner capri

Haven't heard back from the OP, I guess he already fixed the problem.
 
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