Need help with 2000 Capri, starting issue

[m48strat]

Help Please!!

I will try to make a long story short. Some friends of mine, a couple, purchsed a Bayliner Capri ck lx new in 2000. It has a 5.0. Merc alpha drive. They only used the boat for two seasons. At the end of the last season the boat was winterized and wrapped in heat shrink. The boat has less than 30 hours on it, and has sat for at least two years. That winter the husband suffered a stroke and is now confined to a nursing home. The wife would like to sell the boat and asked me to take a look at it, since she knows I am a boater. I myself own a Mariah but know nothing about Bayliner. I went over and found the heat shrink had caved in and was filled with water. So I started the process of bailing out the water before it leaked into the **** pit, and cleaning the boat. after cleaning and waxing the boat I went to start it and that's when i ran into problems. I had to replace the battery. When I turned the key on, I got a high pitched alarm. Is there some kind of security system on this boat that i should know about? ( I don't have an owners manual) I was able to get the boat started, but I can't keep it running. The boat will not idle. As soon as pull the throttle back to the neutral position the boat stalls and the alarm goes off again. Also I'm not getting a tach reading. The engine will only run with the throttle pushed about a third forward. Since I'm not getting a tach reading I have no idea what RPM it takes to keep it running. What am I doing wrong? Any ideas?

Thanks for any help or info you can provide.

Mike

I posted this on the Bayliner thread, but didn't get much of a response.

 

[fossill]

Re: Need help with 2000 Capri, starting issue

The alarm going on with the key in "on" is normal. Should be off with engine running unless something is wrong. It goes off with low oil pressure, high coolant temp, drive temp, etc. It basically monitors several engine/outdrive parameters...at least on my boat (2008 model Larsen).
I'd drain the fuel tank and put in fresh gas along with an additive, change fuel filter and pull off the flame arrestor and spray some carb cleaner into the carb as a start. It's been sitting a long time for not running and the gas is probably stale and the carb may have gummed up a bit. Hopefully it wont need a carb job. Also wouldn't hurt to change out cap and rotor along with spark plugs.
The tach issue could be the tach itself or a disconnected wire. Anyway, I'd start form there. Make sure you have a muff hooked up to the outsdrive when running it or you ruin the impellor in the outdrive in short order.

 

[m48strat]

Re: Need help with 2000 Capri, starting issue

I did pull off the the air filter and flame arrestor, and also sprayed in carb cleaner. I also pulled the fuel filter/water seperator. The carb and the filter both look brand new. If the fuel was stale, wouldn't it stall at even the higher RPM? The alarm does stop when the engine is running. But, should the alarm sound continuesly while the key is in the on posotion?

 

[fossill]

Re: Need help with 2000 Capri, starting issue

Yup, because it senses no oil pressure.
Get good gas and go from there. 2 year old gas is no good. The idle circuits in the carb are probably "gooped" after sitting that length of time not running.

 

[m48strat]

Re: Need help with 2000 Capri, starting issue

Yes, from the responses I'm getting here, and from talking to other boaters, there is a consensus building that the problem is bad gas. Unfortunately I'm not really equipped to deal with draining the gas tank. The boat was put away with a full tank. I think at this point my best bet is to trailer the boat to my marina and have a mechanic go over it. I appreciate the replys and will let you know how things turn out. I will also post some pics at a later date. as a foot note, the season after the boat was put away, the husband bought another boat, a 20 foot Triton bass boat, with a 225 HP Merc outboard. This boat has also been sitting for a couple of seasons. It's a shame, both boats are like new, but obviously letting them sit for a couple of years may have caused some problems. Both boats are for sale and located in Wilmington, Delaware.

Again Thanks

Mike

 

[m48strat]

Re: Need help with 2000 Capri, starting issue

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I know it's been a while since I originally posted this thread, but yesterday the story was brought to a happy conclusion. It turns out that the problem was not bad gas, but a gummed up carburetor. The mechanic rebuilt the carb at a cost of about $350 dollars. The tach problem was the tach itself. A replacement tach was ordered from Bayliner at a cost of about $350 dollars. The boat would have been finished two weeks ago, but Bayliner sent the wrong tach and had to be reordered. the total bill for the repairs came to $734.58. I didn't keep track of the hours I put into the boat, and I did not charge the owner for my time, but all totaled getting the boat ready for sale cost her about $1200. Yesterday I took a potential buyer out for a sea trial. The boat started right up and ran great. for an hour we ran the up and down the Bohemia and Elk river, most of the time at WOT about 4200 to 4400 rpm and the boat ran great on a full tank of two year old gas. we only encountered one problem. the speedometer did not work, and we noticed water coming in on the starboard side. we looked behind the sideboard and saw two clear plastic hoses coming from the dashboard. I think the water and speedometer problems are related. I'm guessing that when the mechanic reinstalled the dash he may have forgotten to hook something back up. Any ideas here? In spite of the problem the guy decided to buy the boat for $8000. the last I saw of this sweet little Capri, was the tail lights of the trailer as she headed to her new home in Bowie Md. This was definitely a leaning experience for me. We've all heard the line, " a boat is a hole in the water that you pour money into", obviously a boat doesn't even have to be in the water to cost you money. Just letting a boat sit without use can be costly.

 

[bds85466]

Re: Need help with 2000 Capri, starting issue

350 for a tach? I'm hoping that included labor to install(?).

As far as the speedo, most are simply pressure gagues that utilize plastic tubing between the gauge and the outside of the boat. Velocity through the water creates a pressure difference between the pitot on the back of your boat and the gauge. The pressure difference is translated into a speed by a gauge. It's actually kind of archaic and these systems can become inaccurate very easily by something getting stuck in the tube or the tube breaking/leaking.

In your case, you might have a tube that's not connected somewhere or broken. Obviously if the tube is not connected at the gauge, there's a chance water will come back through (lower pressure inside the boat vs running through water). If you're still concerned with this boat, check behind your speedo gauge for the tube pickup and try and follow it all the way back to wherever your speedo pick up is. You can either try and repair your tube which is discontinuous or get a new one. Usually you'll want one tube going from gauge pick up to pitot pickup (mines on the rear of my boat). Sounds like yours is simply disconnected...

 

[madurodave]

Re: Need help with 2000 Capri, starting issue

Too late know, but Faria has a great warranty program. $30.00 for the Tach.

 

[m48strat]

Re: Need help with 2000 Capri, starting issue

The $350 for the tach did include the install, but still, I probably did pay too much. As for the speedo problem, I traced the two clear plastic tubes coming from the dash, they run to starboard side of the boat , and dead end. They are not connected to anything, and i didn't see anything that they could connect to. The tubes are of a different diamater. Are these tubes supposed to be tied together some how?


Thanks againg for any help you can provide

Mike

 

[m48strat]

Re: Need help with 2000 Capri, starting issue

Mad,

The boat in your picture looks exactly like the one I've been posting about. I have pics, but have'nt figured how to post them yet.

 

[bds85466]

Re: Need help with 2000 Capri, starting issue

when you say they came from the dash, where exactly? Did they both originate in the dash? Are they attached to a gauge, a compressor, loose, etc?

If I'm reading you right, you have two tubes of different diameters. Both coming from the dash with no specific origin. They then run to the starboard side of the boat. They are hanging loose, in the gunwale right? How long were they?

My ultimate guess based on the info we have is that if water was coming in from one of the tubes, that it was somewhere connected to the outside of the boat. The fact that your speedo doesn't work might be to coincedental to ignore. Is it possible a new speedo or gauge was installed with either not enough tubing or the wrong size, and the splice was never made. Obviously the boat's gone now so these questions might never be answered.

 

[m48strat]

Re: Need help with 2000 Capri, starting issue

when you say they came from the dash, where exactly? Did they both originate in the dash? Are they attached to a gauge, a compressor, loose, etc?


From what I could tell, one of the tubes was attached to the speedo, I couldn't tell what the other was attaced to. but both tubes run parallel into the gunwale and hang down about 12 inches and then dead ended. Even though the boat is gone now, I want pass on any info I can get to the new owner.