Need PROP HELP !!!!! 1964 Merc 850 85hp I/L 6.

Chinpoker

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Hey everyone need help to find a new prop and what other part to install it ?
Last trip to the lake, lost my lost prop and all other part that attached:facepalm:
Could anyone tell me what size prop I would need with a pitch suggestion?
I think the prop that was lost was original.
Please I need help to get back on the water:torn::torn::blue:
Dumb move guess lesson learned make sure to check that prop nut is tight every trip:facepalm::facepalm:

Thanks in advance
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Chinpoker

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Re: Need PROP HELP !!!!! 1964 Merc 850 85hp I/L 6.

Ok how bout just a starting point on size ? Can't give wot rpm haven't installed a tach yet did 45kph -28mph GPS it's got 15 splines besides the prop nut what else would I need to get going again just a size starting point would help a lot

Thanks
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Re: Need PROP HELP !!!!! 1964 Merc 850 85hp I/L 6.

Well, ain't that a kick in the head! :eek:

Take a very close look at your prop shaft, and I believe you'll note that there is a "shoulder" on the shaft, close to the oil seals. The propeller thrust hub sits against the square-shaped shoulder. Unfortunately, the old-design thrust hub is no longer available.

Since you lost all your stuff, there is a way to upgrade to a newer-style prop. First you need a spacer which will sit against the prop shaft square shoulder. The P/N of this spacer is 23-86918T and is still available from Mercury.

There is also a very thin, split washer that goes between the spacer and the shoulder of the prop shaft, P/N 12-31013 which is still available. I've seen many motors run without this thin spacer, it always seems to get lost. But since you'll be ordering parts, might as well get it!

Next, you need the newer-style thrust hub, which is thinner than the old one. The 23-86918 spacer makes up the difference. P/N for the thrust hub is 13191A 1.

You'll need a propeller nut locking tab, still available, P/N 14-816629Q.

Last but not least (besides a prop), you'll need a prop nut. This one is rather unique, 'cause the newer motors' prop nuts have fine threads, whereas the older motors have a coarse-threaded nut. The difference is very apparent. So if you were to go to a Mercury dealer, they might not stock the older coarse-threaded part.

Here's the P/N specified for your motor: 11-29594

Check out this parts diagram and you'll see how all the parts "stack up":

Mercury Marine Model 850 85 HP(6 CYL.) GEAR HOUSING ASSEMBLY, COMPLETE (MERC 850E) (PAGE 2) Parts

Now, for the tricky part, the prop selection! Pretty dicey, not knowing what was on there before. Given the size of the boat, I'd start with a 17"-pitch 3-bladed aluminum prop (or pick up a 17" composite Comprop, they're cheaper). See how the boat runs, if you've got a good local dlr they'll let you return an undamaged prop if it's the wrong size, and swap out for one with a different pitch.

If the motor revs up too much with a 17"-pitched prop, you'll probably need an 18" or 19" pitch.

If the motor "bogs" on takeoff, the pitch is too steep and you'll probably need to go down to a 15" pitch.

15"-17"-19" are common sizes and all are within the realm of possibility for your boat/motor combination. I guarantee that the 15" will "RIP", but might be too small, hence try the 17" first.

The prop you'll be looking for will have a more-or-less flat surface on its forward part, where it bears against the thrust washer.

Newer-style props don't require a separate thrust hub at the rear of the prop, since the thrust hub is built-in. So when you look at that parts diagram, don't be confused 'cause there are more parts than you expect. You're better off upgrading to a newer-style prop;since you have to buy one anyway you might as well take advantage of the modern designs.

When installing the prop, spread waterproof boat bearing grease on the prop shaft and threads. Tighten the prop nut with locking tab, using a block of wood between prop blade and underside of the lower unit to keep the prop from turning. Use a firm amount of torque but don't overtighten. Tap down only one locking tab until you find out if it's the correct prop or not. Once you know the prop is good, tap down all 3 tabs with a screwdriver/hammer. It won't fall off again!

HTH, see the pics below of the thrust washer and spacer.........ed
 

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Chinpoker

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Re: Need PROP HELP !!!!! 1964 Merc 850 85hp I/L 6.

Well, ain't that a kick in the head! :eek:

Take a very close look at your prop shaft, and I believe you'll note that there is a "shoulder" on the shaft, close to the oil seals. The propeller thrust hub sits against the square-shaped shoulder. Unfortunately, the old-design thrust hub is no longer available.

Since you lost all your stuff, there is a way to upgrade to a newer-style prop. First you need a spacer which will sit against the prop shaft square shoulder. The P/N of this spacer is 23-86918T and is still available from Mercury.

There is also a very thin, split washer that goes between the spacer and the shoulder of the prop shaft, P/N 12-31013 which is still available. I've seen many motors run without this thin spacer, it always seems to get lost. But since you'll be ordering parts, might as well get it!

Next, you need the newer-style thrust hub, which is thinner than the old one. The 23-86918 spacer makes up the difference. P/N for the thrust hub is 13191A 1.

You'll need a propeller nut locking tab, still available, P/N 14-816629Q.

Last but not least (besides a prop), you'll need a prop nut. This one is rather unique, 'cause the newer motors' prop nuts have fine threads, whereas the older motors have a coarse-threaded nut. The difference is very apparent. So if you were to go to a Mercury dealer, they might not stock the older coarse-threaded part.

Here's the P/N specified for your motor: 11-29594

Check out this parts diagram and you'll see how all the parts "stack up":

Mercury Marine Model 850 85 HP(6 CYL.) GEAR HOUSING ASSEMBLY, COMPLETE (MERC 850E) (PAGE 2) Parts

Now, for the tricky part, the prop selection! Pretty dicey, not knowing what was on there before. Given the size of the boat, I'd start with a 17"-pitch 3-bladed aluminum prop (or pick up a 17" composite Comprop, they're cheaper). See how the boat runs, if you've got a good local dlr they'll let you return an undamaged prop if it's the wrong size, and swap out for one with a different pitch.

If the motor revs up too much with a 17"-pitched prop, you'll probably need an 18" or 19" pitch.

If the motor "bogs" on takeoff, the pitch is too steep and you'll probably need to go down to a 15" pitch.

15"-17"-19" are common sizes and all are within the realm of possibility for your boat/motor combination. I guarantee that the 15" will "RIP", but might be too small, hence try the 17" first.

The prop you'll be looking for will have a more-or-less flat surface on its forward part, where it bears against the thrust washer.

Newer-style props don't require a separate thrust hub at the rear of the prop, since the thrust hub is built-in. So when you look at that parts diagram, don't be confused 'cause there are more parts than you expect. You're better off upgrading to a newer-style prop;since you have to buy one anyway you might as well take advantage of the modern designs.

When installing the prop, spread waterproof boat bearing grease on the prop shaft and threads. Tighten the prop nut with locking tab, using a block of wood between prop blade and underside of the lower unit to keep the prop from turning. Use a firm amount of torque but don't overtighten. Tap down only one locking tab until you find out if it's the correct prop or not. Once you know the prop is good, tap down all 3 tabs with a screwdriver/hammer. It won't fall off again!

HTH, see the pics below of the thrust washer and spacer.........ed



Hey thank you sooooo much emckelvy for your advice I'm gonna start getting the necessary parts :D I guessing prop size is measured from the Center of the hub to the cavitation plate for clearance ? Thanks again
 

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Re: Need PROP HELP !!!!! 1964 Merc 850 85hp I/L 6.

im a little confused on this part .are you specifically talking about this motor and application cause other wise I can tell you my 2011 motor has a thrust washer and when changing props no matter what brand I use it requires a thrust washer.
 
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Re: Need PROP HELP !!!!! 1964 Merc 850 85hp I/L 6.

im a little confused on this part .are you specifically talking about this motor and application cause other wise I can tell you my 2011 motor has a thrust washer and when changing props no matter what brand I use it requires a thrust washer.

I didn't know I was talking about any other motor than an old 850 Merc! I'm not sure what bearing a 2011 motor would have in this discussion. :confused:

If you're referring to later-model Merc props for various other motors, I was speaking specifically to a prop that would fit his Inline; not others.

Most "modern" props that will fit the old Tower of Power have a built-in rear hub, not a separate hub like the older-style props. He still needs the proper spacer, washer, and flat thrust hub for the forward end of the prop.

And if he happens to find a prop with a separate rear hub, then he'll need one of those as well.

Bottom line, all the appropriate bits and pieces must be used to fit the style of prop. Older-style props are getting harder to find and the parts I recommended will help him fit-up a prop that is more likely to be in stock at the dlr or marine supply store.

If your 2011 motor has a separate thrust hub by the prop nut, so be it, wasn't talking about those.

HTH............ed
 

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Re: Need PROP HELP !!!!! 1964 Merc 850 85hp I/L 6.

Hey thank you sooooo much emckelvy for your advice I'm gonna start getting the necessary parts :D I guessing prop size is measured from the Center of the hub to the cavitation plate for clearance ? Thanks again

Prop size is usually expressed by diameterXpitch, i.e. a 13"X17" would be thirteen inches in diameter and 17 inches pitch. The diameter doesn't have quite as much effect on performance as pitch, so on an OEM Merc prop you'd typically see a series of numbers on the side which represent the prop part number, followed by the pitch.

For example, 47-123456-17 where the middle # I just made up, the "-17" is the prop pitch. You could find out the diameter by looking up the part number. Most aftermarket props will either have the part number stamped on them, or on the rear hub. Or they'll have the full size "13x17" etc cast into the prop hub.

13x17 or 13-1/4x17 are commonly used in Inlines and I'd bet more stores would stock that one. 19" pitch is real common, too. But I'd still try 17" first and see how that works.

Note that you might encounter a prop that has a shoulder on the front prop hub, in that case the flat thrust washer won't work. You'd use a thrust washer like this one, along with the spacer sleeve:

Mercury Quicksilver 65091q01 - Thrustwasher Note: Must Be Ordered In Multiples Of 2 @ MarineEngine.com

Here's one for less than $11 shipped on eBay: Mercury Quicksilver Thrust Washer 65091 | eBay

As long as you match up the correct thrust washer with the prop you get, it'll be fine.

One last thing, I missed the fact that these guys do have 10 of the NLA old-style forward-end thrust washer which will fit your motor:

Mercury Quicksilver 30581a 1 - Hub Assembly, Nla @ MarineEngine.com

If you ended up with a prop that used this style of thrust hub, you wouldn't need to use the spacer sleeve. Not to confuse you with all these different configurations, but to give you a few more options.

Hope that all makes sense, if not, lemme know! :confused: :confused: :confused: :D


HTH........ed
 

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Re: Need PROP HELP !!!!! 1964 Merc 850 85hp I/L 6.

I didn't know I was talking about any other motor than an old 850 Merc! I'm not sure what bearing a 2011 motor would have in this discussion. :confused:

If you're referring to later-model Merc props for various other motors, I was speaking specifically to a prop that would fit his Inline; not others.

Most "modern" props that will fit the old Tower of Power have a built-in rear hub, not a separate hub like the older-style props. He still needs the proper spacer, washer, and flat thrust hub for the forward end of the prop.

Bottom line, all the appropriate bits and pieces must be used to fit the style of prop. Older-style props are getting harder to find and the parts I recommended will help him fit-up a prop that is more likely to be in stock at the dlr or marine supply store.

If your 2011 motor has a separate thrust hub by the prop nut, so be it, wasn't talking about those.

HTH............ed
ok .chill, just trying to be helpful .all I know is when I had my 64/650 I had a new prop and had to use the washer/spacer first then the prop then the rest.as for the front on the 2011 3 props that I have use the washer and the Michigan wheel vortex does not .now to be totally fair iwas talking about my etec though I assumed most if not all prop setups were the same at least for newer.been out of mercs for a while so I bow to your better knowledge sir.sorry for any confusion.p.s. that 650 was one sweet running motor ,still would like to have it .I believe I still have a new block or cyl heads up in the top of the garage unless I chucked them.
 
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Re: Need PROP HELP !!!!! 1964 Merc 850 85hp I/L 6.

Prop size is usually expressed by diameterXpitch, i.e. a 13"X17" would be thirteen inches in diameter and 17 inches pitch. The diameter doesn't have quite as much effect on performance as pitch, so on an OEM Merc prop you'd typically see a series of numbers on the side which represent the prop part number, followed by the pitch.

For example, 47-123456-17 where the middle # I just made up, the "-17" is the prop pitch. You could find out the diameter by looking up the part number. Most aftermarket props will either have the part number stamped on them, or on the rear hub. Or they'll have the full size "13x17" etc cast into the prop hub.

13x17 or 13-1/4x17 are commonly used in Inlines and I'd bet more stores would stock that one. 19" pitch is real common, too. But I'd still try 17" first and see how that works.

Note that you might encounter a prop that has a shoulder on the front prop hub, in that case the flat thrust washer won't work. You'd use a thrust washer like this one, along with the spacer sleeve:

Mercury Quicksilver 65091q01 - Thrustwasher Note: Must Be Ordered In Multiples Of 2 @ MarineEngine.com

Here's one for less than $11 shipped on eBay: Mercury Quicksilver Thrust Washer 65091 | eBay

As long as you match up the correct thrust washer with the prop you get, it'll be fine.

One last thing, I missed the fact that these guys do have 10 of the NLA old-style forward-end thrust washer which will fit your motor:

Mercury Quicksilver 30581a 1 - Hub Assembly, Nla @ MarineEngine.com

If you ended up with a prop that used this style of thrust hub, you wouldn't need to use the spacer sleeve. Not to confuse you with all these different configurations, but to give you a few more options.

Hope that all makes sense, if not, lemme know! :confused: :confused: :confused: :D


HTH........ed
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Lol thanks again for the info on a starting point !!!
 

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Re: Need PROP HELP !!!!! 1964 Merc 850 85hp I/L 6.

Here's a cheap 17"-pitch prop if you haven't already found one:

Used Mercury 3 Blade 13 1 4 x 17 Aluminum Prop 48 65748 17 | eBay

And another one:

Mercury 115 HP 17 Pitch Propeller 15 Spline | eBay

HTH........ed

Mercury 12.75x17 pitch propeller part number 48-32264-17 - $20 (Markham)

Mercury 12.75x17 pitch propeller part number 48-32264-17
Fits Mercury 65 through 150 inline models
Couple of minor dings, good for spare prop or easily repaired by shop

Markham Road & Hwy 7 (or North York, Yonge & Empress, some days)





Would this prop be to small of a diameter for the motor
 
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Re: Need PROP HELP !!!!! 1964 Merc 850 85hp I/L 6.

Actually, a 12-3/4" diameter is a good one for Inline Sixes, the slightly-smaller diameter helps with acceleration. It'd at least be a good one to start with, and if it's the wrong pitch you're not out much $$$.

You'll definitely get a good idea on whether you need a smaller or larger prop, and hopefully the 17" pitch will be just right.

If the dings on the prop blades aren't too bad, you can take a plastic mallet and straighten them out against a block of wood.

Clean up any burrs on the prop edge with a medium or cross-cut file. Don't try and make the edges of the blade like a knife-edge, since that can cause the prop to cavitate.

Rather, draw the file the long-way down the blade, and make the edges slightly squared-off. It'll run better that way.

If you manage to snag that $20 prop, post a pic of the front and back and we can figure out what thrust hubs it needs.

HTH.........ed
 
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