New points not gapping, 1957 Johnson 35hp Javelin

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Just installed new points, coils, condensers, and wires and found that at the cam's top position and with the points adjustment screw at maximum gap, I have virtually no gap. Both sides have the same problem. The points were purchased from Marine Engine (part #580148) and are correct according to their website parts diagram. Anyone have any ideas??
 

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What made you change the points in the first place? Was there a problem?
a photo would be helpful as well.
 

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What made you change the points in the first place? Was there a problem?
a photo would be helpful as well.
Had no spark in either cylinder. Tried everything I could think of and finally decided to rebuild the ignition system. The pic shows the bottom cylinder points. No gap at peak adjustment. FYI, I'm pretty green at this...

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Follow these steps.----Remove points. -----Back out the little cam screw 1 turn or a little more.---Install points-----TIGHTEN DOWN the screw with that special thin flat washer.----Yes tight.-----Rotate crankshaft to open points and adjust to 0.020" with the cam screw.------You now have them set.
 

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I did as you said--removed the points and backed the cam screw out a turn. Same result. No gap. For what it's worth, the cam screw looks to be well positioned. Looking at it, I can't see what could be wrong except that the points aren't the right part. Comparing the old to the new (see pic) there may be a difference, but it's so tiny... New&Old.jpg
 

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There have been several reports of defective points lately. If they won't adjust, return them.

OR, use the cave man method. If the eccentric screw won't open them far enough, give the points' base plate a tap or two with a hammer and screwdriver (hold-down screw tight as racer said).
 

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Thanks to everybody. I've been noticing more and more aftermarket parts problems lately--low supply and low quality. It's getting harder to keep my old stuff running--tractor, car, mower, and now boat.
 

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I could be wrong but looking at the adjustment screw if it were turned counter clockwise it may open the points.
 

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I always dress up the original pointsets’ faces to shiny, and re-use. New ignition kits pointsets invariably have to be tweaked to make ‘em face up correctly, and originals always have plenty of material to file/clean ‘em up.
 

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compare old points rub arm length with the new points not certain but I seem to recall some points have short rub arm ans some are longer

make certain you have the proper part # for your engine model
 

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There is indeed a difference between old and new rub surfaces--the new is bigger by about 10 thousandths, which would tend to make the points gap more rather than less, so obviously doesn't get to the problem. (Maybe that difference is due to wear?) Now I've carefully compared the geometry of the new points to the old, and there's about a 40 thousandths difference in the potential point gap, which appears to be due to the angle of the arms (the angle between the rub surface and the point contact). For the record, I complained to Marine Engine, and the rep told me that there have been other reports of bad points (these are BRP/Johnson) and to their credit immediately sent me out a new pair, this time Sierra. We'll see how it goes when the new new points arrive. Man, I've never in my life paid so much attention to points, even when they were the rule in our cars!
 

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Got the replacement set of points (Sierra this time instead of OMC/BRP) and that fixed the problem. Comparison of their geometry---old points, to new OMC, to new Sierra---proved that the angle of the arms on the OMC points was indeed the problem. Mysterious how I could have received two sets with the identical defect while the problem, according to Marine Engine, is not common. Anyway, there it is. Thanks to everyone who offered suggestions.
 
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