New Temperature Gauge reading high !!

sfitr

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I just installed a set of new Teleflex Black Sterling gauges for my boat, all worked fine when tested excluding the temperature gauge which is reading very high. I swapped my old gauge twice to double check , the old one gives exact readings. I guess I have a non compatible sender unit on my Merc 350 MAG MPI engine. How can I determine which temperature sender I need to buy to get my new gauge read correctly ?
 

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Re: New Temperature Gauge reading high !!

I just installed a set of new Teleflex Black Sterling gauges for my boat, all worked fine when tested excluding the temperature gauge which is reading very high. I swapped my old gauge twice to double check , the old one gives exact readings. I guess I have a non compatible sender unit on my Merc 350 MAG MPI engine. How can I determine which temperature sender I need to buy to get my new gauge read correctly ?

Took a bit of looking but could not find the readings in manual 31 so I went to manual 16. The Merc ohms readings go from 36 (212) ohms to 240 (cold) ohms. The Teleflex gauge senders for the Black Sterling uses senders from 600 to 800 ohms to 55 (212). The differences couls cause some of your issues but how much is unknown.

Put this is google "teleflex gauges wiring"

Go to third record down and there is a PDF file which should help. Cannot post here because it comes from another vendor
 

sfitr

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Re: New Temperature Gauge reading high !!

Took a bit of looking but could not find the readings in manual 31 so I went to manual 16. The Merc ohms readings go from 36 (212) ohms to 240 (cold) ohms. The Teleflex gauge senders for the Black Sterling uses senders from 600 to 800 ohms to 55 (212). The differences couls cause some of your issues but how much is unknown.

Put this is google "teleflex gauges wiring"

Go to third record down and there is a PDF file which should help. Cannot post here because it comes from another vendor

Thanks for your reply but am not so technical :confused: Should i just replace the temp sender on my engine to a Teleflex one and get this problem solved ?
 

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Re: New Temperature Gauge reading high !!

Thought I deleted it, I know . There so worried about the almighty dollar these days.Cant blame them and there are ways around it.
And to think there was a time we could download all the merc manuals too.
 

Bt Doctur

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Re: New Temperature Gauge reading high !!

1. To test gauge, voltage from ?I? to ?G? terminals
must be 10-16 VDC. No wire on ?S? terminal.
Gauge pointer should rest below 120?. Next,
connect the ?S? terminal to the ?G? terminal
(leave ?I? and ?G? terminals connected). The
gauge pointer should rest above 240?.
2. The resistance of the sender can be
measured to determine the sender?s correct
operation. Remove wire to gauge. Connect an
ohm me ter to terminal of sender and to engine
block. Ap prox i mate values are: 75?F (room
temperature) = 600 to 800 ohms; 212?F = 55
Water & Oil Temperature
Sender Identifi cation Guide
Use this chart for fi eld identifi cation of Telefl ex water
tem per a ture senders. (ID code stamped on wrench
hex of sender. See illustration at left of chart.)
TEMPERATURE
SENDER ID CODE
(DEPENDS ON TYPE)
1.75/2/25"
.30/.50"
(DEPENDS
ON TYPE)
10-32 THREAD
Although sender/gauge tolerances rarely run to
the max i mums (at the same time), the system can
possibly indicate up to 15?F difference from actual
temperature at 200?F. These specifi cations are
developed at a system voltage of 14 volts. The
sender is also susceptible to ?self heating? when
elec tri cal current passes through the sender. The
self heating causes the sender to become warmer
than the actual tem per a ture of the fl uid (the gauge is
com pen sat ed for this effect at 14 volts). If the system
voltage is varied to 13 or 15 volts the gauge may
read 5 to 6?F higher also.
In a few cases it is necessary to put a temperature
sender and a temperature switch (to operate a light
or buzzer) in the only engine opening. In this case a
?tee? is used. However, when the sender (or switch)
is moved away from the water fl ow, the water around
the sender bulb tends to run cooler. The gauge will
also show a cooler reading than the actual water
temperature inside the engine. Use of ?ex tend ers? or
?tees? is generally not recommended.
ID CODE NPT RESIST- # OF
ON PART THREAD RANGE ANCE GAUGES/
SENDER NO. SIZE (?F) RANGE SENDERS
WATER TEMPERATURE:
003 52320S003 1/2 120-240?F S-W MATCH 1
004 52320S004 1/4 120-240?F S-W MATCH 1
009 52320S009 3/8 120-240?F S-W MATCH 1
010 52320S010 1/8 120-240?F S-W MATCH 1
016 52320S016 1/4 120-240?F S-W MATCH 2
017 52320S017 1/2 120-240?F S-W MATCH 2
018 52320S018 3/8 120-240?F S-W MATCH 2
60 52320S010 1/8 120-240?F S-W MATCH 1
61 52320S004 1/4 120-240?F S-W MATCH 1
62 52320S009 3/8 120-240?F S-W MATCH 1
63 52320S003 1/2 120-240?F S-W MATCH 1
230 IA96035* 1/8 50-200?F S-W MATCH 1
15000 52320S004 1/4 120-240?F S-W MATCH 1
15002 52320S016 1/4 120-240?F S-W MATCH 2
15009 52320S017 1/2 120-240?F S-W MATCH 2
15010 52320S003 1/2 120-240?F S-W MATCH 1
15013 52320S009 3/8 120-240?F S-W MATCH 1
15014 52320S018 3/8 120-240?F S-W MATCH 2
96061 52320S010 1/8 120-240?F S-W MATCH 1
OIL TEMPERATURE:
002 52320S002 1/2 140-320?F S-W MATCH 1
006 52320S006 1/8 140-320?F S-W MATCH 1
007 52320S007 1/4 140-320?F S-W MATCH 1
008 52320S008 3/8 140-320?F S-W MATCH 1
96046 52320S006 1/8 140-320?F S-W MATCH 1
* Use only with old style 50-200?F gauges. (Do not use with C-H
or 120-240?F gauges.)
ohms. (These are single station values ? twin
station values would be 1/2 these num bers).
3. If sender is shorted (0 ohms) gauge will read
above 240?F.
4. If sender has infi nite resistance (Open) gauge
will read below 120?F.
5. If the gauge reads lower than expected, was
sealer used on the sender threads? (See
illustration.)
6. The accuracy of the system (gauge, sender,
voltage range) can vary as much as ?16? at
180?F.
7. Use of pipe extenders to plumb both a sender
and tem per a ture switch (for horn or warning
light) from one port is not rec om mend ed. The
amount of weight extended on the fi tting of a
vibrating engine could cause fatigue-related
breakage. Also, the sender is removed
 

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Re: New Temperature Gauge reading high !!

Thanks for your reply but am not so technical :confused: Should i just replace the temp sender on my engine to a Teleflex one and get this problem solved ?

Question: You bought new gauges and they didn't come with new senders?
 

sfitr

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Re: New Temperature Gauge reading high !!

No my new gauges did not come with any senders.
 

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Re: New Temperature Gauge reading high !!

If it were me ,I'd get the Teleflex sender for the temp gauge. That way it is all correct parts and if there are troubles later it will make troubleshooting easier. Just my 2?.
 

midcarolina

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Re: New Temperature Gauge reading high !!

according to the teleflex website you need their sending unit labeled code D
 

sfitr

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Re: New Temperature Gauge reading high !!

according to the teleflex website you need their sending unit labeled code D

Yes I saw that... they would have made life much easier if they gave the part number of the sender also.

I sent them an inquiry through their website also.
 

midcarolina

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Re: New Temperature Gauge reading high !!

marketing my friend......... they know if that was obvious you might have purchased other gauges that would not require sender replacement.....
 
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