News Flash.........

Bondo

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BY JAMES TARANTO <br />Friday, March 24, 2006 <br /><br />Who's Lying Now? <br /><br />Those Saddam documents are coming out, and there are strong suggestions--not surprisingly to some of us--that the notion that he had nothing to do with al Qaeda is a myth. ABC News reports: <br /><br />A newly released prewar Iraqi document indicates that an official representative of Saddam Hussein's government met with Osama bin Laden in Sudan on February 19, 1995, after receiving approval from Saddam Hussein. Bin Laden asked that Iraq broadcast the lectures of Suleiman al Ouda, a radical Saudi preacher, and suggested "carrying out joint operations against foreign forces" in Saudi Arabia. According to the document, Saddam's presidency was informed of the details of the meeting on March 4, 1995, and Saddam agreed to dedicate a program for them on the radio. The document states that further "development of the relationship and cooperation between the two parties to be left according to what's open [in the future] based on dialogue and agreement on other ways of cooperation." The Sudanese were informed about the agreement to dedicate the program on the radio. <br /><br />The report then states that "Saudi opposition figure" bin Laden had to leave Sudan in July 1996 after it was accused of harboring terrorists. It says information indicated he was in Afghanistan. "The relationship with him is still through the Sudanese. We're currently working on activating this relationship through a new channel in light of his current location," it states. <br /><br />As ABC notes, this does not prove "that the two parties did in fact enter into an operational relationship." But it does blow out of the water the silly notion that secular Saddam and fundamentalist bin Laden could not possibly find common ground. <br /><br />This actually never made sense; history is replete with examples of ideologically opposed nations uniting against a common enemy. The Soviet Union did it with both Nazi Germany and the U.S. during World War II. The current Syrian regime is a secular Baathist thugocracy just like the old Iraqi one, but the Syrian dictators Assad & Son were bitter rivals of their Iraqi counterpart and strong allies of the mad mullahs who run Iran. "Saddam and al Qaeda could never have anything to do with each other" stands exposed as a Big Lie of the left and the isolationist right. <br /><br />Daily Kos diarist "SusanG" offers an interesting window into the mentality of the anti-anti-Saddam left: <br /><br />I also find it disingenuous that the right claims sole ownership of the "Saddam is a bad, bad man" banner. Please. Compared to the liberal left, they are decades late to that particular party. Progressives were screaming into the void about Hussein's human rights violations, his gassing of the Kurds, his terrorizing of political opponents long, long, long before it conveniently bubbled up into the consciousness of the neocon right. While Donald Rumsfeld was famously shaking hands with and arming Hussein, we were saying: Bad idea. Bad man. This is gonna come back and bite us in the ***. <br /><br />It appears that the definition of a "progressive" is someone who believes the answer to any problem is "screaming into the void"--either against the problem or against anyone who does anything to solve the problem. How exactly this is supposed to lead to progress is a topic for another day. <br /><br />The Good News Is the Bad News Is Incomplete <br />USA Today reports that "high-profile critics are stepping up their complaints about the media's work" in Iraq: <br /><br />Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, long critical of what he sees as overly negative reporting, told reporters this month: "From what I've seen thus far, much of the reporting in the U.S. and abroad has exaggerated the situation." <br /><br />President Bush said Tuesday, "For every act of violence there is encouraging progress in Iraq that's hard to capture on the evening news." <br /><br />"Have we undercovered the good news?" asks John Burns, Baghdad bureau chief for The New York Times. "We probably have. But there's nothing willful about it. I would enter a plea of mitigation that we are overstretched." <br /><br />ABC News says it is listening to viewer complaints about Iraq coverage: <br /><br />Over the last 24 hours, ABC News has been reading hundreds of messages sent in by viewers in response to President Bush's claim that the media are undermining support for war in Iraq. <br /><br />Viewer opinions ran the gamut, but the vast majority believed the media were biased in their Iraq coverage. <br /><br />The media may not be covering good news from Iraq, but at least they're covering their failure to cover good news from Iraq. We guess it's a start.
So,............<br />What WERE all those Lies,..?????? :rolleyes:
 

cpj

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Yes Bondo, they are lies. Just ask Txstroller. :p
 

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Originally posted by Bondo:<br /><br />BY JAMES TARANTO <br />Friday, March 24, 2006 <br /><br /><br />It appears that the definition of a "progressive" is someone who believes the answer to any problem is "screaming into the void"--either against the problem or against anyone who does anything to solve the problem. How exactly this is supposed to lead to progress is a topic for another day. <br /><br />[/QB]
Doesn't this just about sum up the behavior of the democrats we constantly hear campaigni---errr, I mean, criticizing the administration?
 

mrbscott19

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I love it! The article is calling people anti-anti-Saddam for the sole reason of them saying "I told you so". Yeah, thats sound journalism. Wonder why they don't go into any detail about Rummy's handshake and why he was there? They can mention that it happened but not why. Thanks for reminding me that ignorance is in fact alive and well.
 

KaGee

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The facts are not relative Bondo. You should know that by now.
 

PW2

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If it takes three plus years fot this supposed evidence to come to light, it's kind of hard to use it as a justification for the war, isn't it??<br /><br />As far as the media coverage not showing everything, what a bogus charge. Why aren't they able to show the flag draped coffins returning to Dover? Or is not that part of the war?<br /><br />The right seems to think the news media is supposed to be an extension of the military's media relations department. This is a war, for crying out loud. People get blown up and die in wars. That is news.<br /><br />If the military has other news it wants to get out, it has ample opportunity. It has the "Lincoln Group" that it is paying millions of dollars to get the "good news" out.<br /><br />I sure hope our news media isn't cowered by these folks that seem to want a Russisn style content controlled media.
 

Twidget

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This is a war, for crying out loud. People get blown up and die in wars. That is news.
Exactly! There is a difference between reptorting the news and reporting things that get our service people killed. The 'media' is supposed to be from the United States. They have a vested interest in us winning. With the power the media has, comes the responsibility to use it wisely. As my Dad used to tell me, 'You dont have to tell everyone everything you know constantly'. <br /><br />As it stands now, our service people have the Arab media trashing them and 'our' media trashing them. It is not the job of the media to set the agenda, they are supposed to report only. Walter Kronkite has admitted that during Viet Nam he spun the news in a negative direction because he was against the war. If the 'father' of modern media reporting admits to doing this, how can his 'children' not do the same?<br /><br />In a war, you are either on the side of your country or you are on the other side. That is not to say you cant have reservations about what is happening, you just dont air loud anti military, anti government opinions during the war. Win the war, then worry about writing/rewriting history. That is the only feasible answer.
 

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Bondo,<br /><br />James Taranto is nothing but a right wing hack and a liar. Click on the link below and you will find pages of examples of James Taranto's lies and distortions.<br /><br /><br /> http://mediamatters.org/issues_topics/people/jamestaranto <br /><br />These newly revealed ties to Iraq, we've known for a long time. We've known for a long time OBL was looking for a country to take in a partnership with Al Qaeda. That is why OBL ended up in Afghanistan. They were the only country wacky enough to take him in. Just because Saddam gave OBL a little air time on the radio doesn't constitute much of an alliance. This has been looked at before and it was felt it was more of an olive branch gesture to keep these terrorist pacified. Note that the article stated OBL was looking to do some joint attacks on foreign targets, which never took place. I'll give you an "A" for effort though Bondo.
 

KaGee

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LOL!!! :D :D <br /><br />Of course, the fact that Media Matters is a partisan Left Wing spin machine, makes everything they say 100% correct and OK! ;) <br /><br />C'mon Jim, you got to make your debate a little more credible than "he is nothing but a right wing hack and liar".
 

POINTER94

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Hold on I am going to check the ever balanced crooksandliars.com site for some verification. It's my new favorite site don't you know. :cool:
 

treedancer

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wow now all of a sudden ABC news, morphs from mainstream liberal media, to fair and balanced its amazing. Now I think I will put up a link that will speak for itself.<br /><br /> http://www.jamestaranto.com/
 

jimonica

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Put your money where your mouth is guys. Show me where Media Matters treated James Taranto unfairly.<br /><br />Crooksandliars.com is my new favorite site! They have all kinds of interview shown in their entirety, no editing like the righties are notorious for.<br />BTW Pointer, when I gave the link to crooksandliars, the piece was a 60 minutes piece. I know it sounds better from your prospective to say crooksandliars, but it was a 60 minutes piece.
 

jimonica

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KaGee, its good to see your back. Now I think I'll put that thread of yours back to the top so you can respond. :p
 

KaGee

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I neverwent anywhere. IF you were around, you would have known that.
 
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