no bottom end, hard to plane, good top speed

digs131

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2000 maxum 1900sr: 5.0 220hp, 21p stainless, also have 19p alum., 75 hrs. Problem goes like this: From a dead stop hit wot, the boat raises up high and takes like 30 seconds to plane. Top speed is good 50-ish mph @ 4500-4600. I have tried both the 21p and the 19p props and it has the same effect. Checked the trim and it goes all the way down. The motor runs smooth at idle and starts o.k.. It doesn't hiccup during hard acceleration or anything. This boat could be outrun by a four cylinder. What could the problem be? New to boats, and need help!
 

DJP

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Re: no bottom end, hard to plane, good top speed

Keep experimenting with props, sooner or later you'll get the right one. There is a formula available to mathmatically determine which prop best suits your boat. Going in search of it now. I'll re-post if I find it. Good luck
 

DJP

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Re: no bottom end, hard to plane, good top speed

Hope your mathmatically apt, cause here ya'are, have fun.<br /><br />Maximum Boat Speed for a Propeller<br /><br />As a propeller turns, it's pitch determines how far it travels through the water. No propeller is 100% efficient so that in reality it "slips" by moving water aside rather than straight backward. For a planing hull shape, this propeller slip can be as low as 10%. For a displacement hull shape with a high speed propeller, this slip is usually around 45%.<br /><br />This means that the maximum vessel speed is a function of the shaft speed in revolutions per minute, the pitch of the propeller, and the amount of propeller slip.<br /><br />The Honda outboard motor described above will generate 5 HP at the engine shaft at 5,000 rpm which results in 2381 rpm at the propeller. Assuming no propeller slip, the maximum boat speed will be:<br /><br />Boat Speed = (RPM * 60 * Pitch) / 72913.2 = (2381* 60 * 7.5) / 72913.2 = 14.7 Knots<br /><br />If the propeller slip is 45% then the propeller's forward motion is 55% utilized so the maximum speed for this combination would be:<br /><br />14.7 * 0.55 = 8.1 knots<br /><br />However, since the maximum boat speed is 5.4 knots, the propeller will function with an inefficient 63% slip. As this shows, the pitch of the propeller must be decreased to between 5 and 5.5 inches to achieve a more normal propeller slip of 45%. In this case, the propeller diameter must also be increased in order to prevent the motor from speeding up beyond 5,000 rpm. As a general rule, if you purchase a typical outboard motor for use on a sailboat, you should instruct the dealer to provide the lowest pitch and largest diameter propeller possible consistent with the motor's designed operating speed and horsepower. The "standard" propellers provided with these motors will just not be efficient with a small sailboat. Either you will be running at 1/2 throttle and therefore never use all the available horsepower, or you will be running at full throttle and wasting the energy in propeller slip.<br /><br />Thoery for a small outboard on a sailboat, but the math is still the same.
 

Doug Durako

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Re: no bottom end, hard to plane, good top speed

Are you taking on water? Did you hit something? Has this boat always done this?
 

digs131

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Re: no bottom end, hard to plane, good top speed

not taking on any water, never hit anything and the boat was just purchased this spring. Every characteristic leads me to believe its in the motor somewhere, but when it idles so smooth and runs good rpm's at top end, it leaves me baffled.
 

Derk138

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Re: no bottom end, hard to plane, good top speed

you might trying adding a whales tail to the outdrive. Also, move any passangers on the boat to the front. The 19" prop. is the optum prop. for hole shots. Oh, does it run good when it does gets on plane?
 

Monte Cryts

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Re: no bottom end, hard to plane, good top speed

Do you use your trim during take-off? Trim all the way down and as you accelerate trim up. This helps to drop the nose down faster.
 

chads15

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Re: no bottom end, hard to plane, good top speed

Im sorry, I may be way off. But it sounds like the boat is Heavy somehow. I know that boat configuration and With it having the V8 in it it should jump right out of the water..
 

L Christopher

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Re: no bottom end, hard to plane, good top speed

What is the max RPM range at WOT? You may want to try a four blade prop at 19p also mercury has a 5 blade prop but it is very expensive. I went to a 4 blade from a 3 blade and my boat planes much faster. I lost about 2 mph on top end, but we ski and wakeboard so top end doesn't matter to me
 

ooootis

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Re: no bottom end, hard to plane, good top speed

check the diameter of the prop. Previous owner may have been goofing around with it. Does not sound like an engine problem to me. If all that checks out find a moisture guage for testing the water content of the wood stringers (used by home surviors)might be a bit water logged.
 

MrBill

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Re: no bottom end, hard to plane, good top speed

It sounds like you are propped correctly and the engines good...top end 50, idles smooth and hits WOT running well. Even though you checked the trim and say it's going down all the way, what is your reference? Even though the outdrives stops or the gauge indicates completely down you may need to adjust the limit and trim switches located on the sides of the gimbal ring assembly to be certain unit is extending completed down. The limit switch may be incorrectly set in a postion that does not allow the unit to go completely down. Check for full extension of the trim cylinders.
 
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