no crank-circuit breaker?

jerryotis

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Just bought a 1985 Capri 19 footer with a 125 hp Force. It's been sitting inside for three years, It won't crank. 12v at solenoid but not across the solenoid when key is turned to start. I bench tested the solenoid and it works. The circuit breaker at the base of the power bar seems tripped constantly. If battery power is cut, the breaker can be reset but pops Immediately when battery is hooked back up. Looks like power is supplied to the power bar thru the breaker and then to the neutral safety switch and back to the solenoid. Do I just have a bad breaker? Where can I find one? Thanks in advance for any help.

Jerry
 

Nordin

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I do not trhink you have a bad circuit breaker, most likely a short cut some were.

Check all wires at the engine and if the power to the aux in the boat are connected after the breaker.
Then check all wiring in the boat.
 

Scott Danforth

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do you have the battery cables backwards?
 

jerryjerry05

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Spray WD or a carb cleaner in the breaker.
Try it a couple of times.
The contacts can get dirty and trip.

They can go bad but not often.
They have them on e-bay..

But that sounds like the starter might be the problem?

I don't think the breaker is wired to the neutral safety switch.

Try spraying WD in the ignition switch and cycle it a few times.
Spray again and cycle.

Test light at the solenoid, have someone turn the key and see if you have power at the solenoid?
I believe the wire is yellow/red.
That light up? and still not work?
Then the solenoid's bad.
If it lights and no work? starters bad.
 

jerryotis

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The circuit breaker allows power to the power bar which then feeds the neutral safety and back to the solenoid. I can jump across the solenoid and starter engages. There is no power out of the circuit breaker to the power bar. I removed the circuit breaker and tested it and when reset it has continuity. As soon as power is hooked to it, it pops. Seems to me it must be a weak breaker.
 

Jiggz

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You are correct the circuit breaker (CB) connects from the solenoid hot terminal (big red terminal) with two other connections, one (on the load side) going to the rectifier for charging and the other on the source side, same side as the wire coming from the solenoid, going to the power terminal block under the dash. In essence, this means the CB is actually for charging protection only and not necessarily for the power block protection.

What could be wrong in here is that the red wire going to the power block is connected to the load side of the ckt breaker instead of its source side. Or the two red wires probably are switched, i.e. charging wire on source side while power block wire is on load side. Remember, this red wire is for accessories AND NOT FOR THE STARTER SOLENOID. Thus it keeps on tripping.

The yellow wire from the solenoid's hot terminal (same terminal for the red wire that goes to the CB) goes to the neutral switch and then to ignition switch (through the power block terminal under the dash) "S" terminal and when switch to starting position connects it to the black wire back to the control coil terminal of the starter relay, activating and closing the main terminal circuit.

In short, there are three different circuits, one for accessory circuit (red wire from the relay to the power block but uses the source side of the CB as a junction or connection point), second, a starting circuit (yellow wire with the neutral switch) and lastly, the charging circuit (red wire on the load side of the CB). Hope this helps. If you need a wiring diagram, there should be one from old posts. If not. let me know and I can post one.
 

jerryotis

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I finally discovered where the short is happening, or at least which wire is causing it. There is a red wire going up to a small, about 1" square, four terminal component below the flywheel. It has four terminals-one ground, the red wire from the cb, and two separate green wires running up to the underside of the flywheel. Once I disconnected the red wire, the cb quit tripping and the engine would crank! Does anyone know what that small block is? Of course, right now I don't know if the component is bad or if there is a short in one of the green wires continuing on to the rectifier? I guess rectifier is the proper name for the components under the flywheel?
 

jerryotis

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Thank you! It appears that this is a relatively common occurrence. I found another thread with the exact same scenario and a rectifier solved his problem. Thank you very much for the tip. I will update the thread as soon as I am sure my problem is resolved. Thanks again.
 

jerryotis

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Great news! Put the new rectifier on and it cranked and fired right up! Thanks for all the suggestions!
 
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