No Spark on a '62 450

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Everything appears to be in pretty good shape. Turns over easily w/compression in all 4-just no spark whatsoever. I am just trying to figure out if it's fixable. Assuming it's not a gremlin that can't be found. Is this thing worth fixing if I replace the points, rotor,a condenser, coil, etc... in other words-all the obvious ignition parts. Can I even find these parts anymore? What about retrofitting with a CDI-possible?

Thanks for anyone's help.
 

JB

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Re: No Spark on a '62 450

It can be fixed, 62. It is probably well worth fixing.

Please don't try throwing parts at it. That not only costs too much, it can introduce new troubles.

I am not a Mercspert or I would suggest a troubleshooting procedure.

Be patient. One of our Merc-savvy guys will be along soon.

Meanwhile you would do yourself a big favor by acquiring a Service Manual for it.
 

emckelvy

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Re: No Spark on a '62 450

You have a magneto on your motor, it's a very basic ign and easy to work on. But before you tear anything apart, disconnect the wire going to the side of the the mag and crank the engine over. If the ign switch or internal harness were faulty, it'd kill spark. If that doesn't work, you're gonna need to pull the mag.

The magneto is held onto the drive assy by (4) bolts. You'll need to pull the spark advance/idle stop/throttle stop plate at the front of the dist to gain access to the back (2) distributor bolts. Note the position of the mag as relates to the distributor drive. The driveshaft has a flat spot milled into it, so it only goes back into the drive one way.

Be mindful of the 'plastic' parts (cap, rotor, cover plate) as they are likely to be fragile in their Old Age. The rotor will just pull off with your fingers, it shouldn't take an excessive amount of force to do so. Also note what screw goes where, some are specific length for their location.

The most likely cause of No Spark in a magneto is 'hazed-over' points. Before you spend a ton of money on parts you might want to remove the points, clean the contact surfaces to bare metal, and reinstall. Gap points to .008"-.010".

You can test for spark with the mag removed. Just lay the shaft of a screwdriver on the metal case of the mag. Hold the end of the screwdriver about 3/8"-1/2" away from the flat copper strap coming off the ign coil. Give the magneto shaft a stout turn in the CCW direction (CCW as you're looking at the shaft). You should have a strong spark jumping the gap.

Caution: be sure the screwdriver is firmly grounded to the case, and don't touch the coil output, or you'll be the one jumping!!!!

If not, check the kill wire connection going to the side of the case for grounds. If someone in the past assembled the insulator incorrectly, or the parts have deteriorated, it can kill spark.

Another thing to check is the ign coil. Held in by the allen screws at the end of the case; remove these and the coil pulls out. Inspect for cracks or arc marks, if you find them the coil is bad. Used ones are available on eBay etc.

If you have a good spark, you might just want to slap 'er all back together and test run before you spend more buck$ on parts. That way you can evaluate whether it'll be worth putting the money in 'er to bring back to full glory.

One place I know of that carries a lot of parts for old Mercs is (no surprise) www.oldmercs.com

You'll find tuneup parts etc there to maintain your motor. The more commonly-used parts such as impellers, seals, etc are still available from factory and aftermarket sources.

You should also be able to find some parts here at iBoats. Other parts places with good diagrams are www.boats.net , www.crowleymarine.com , and http://www.mercruiserparts.com/SelectModelType3.asp?class_id=2

HTH & let us know how it goes..........ed

p.s. service manuals are Good!!!!
 
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Re: No Spark on a '62 450

UPDATE: freed up the shift cams in the bottom of the mid-everything looks good there. Just need parts # 20233/PIN-HAIR, 25439/O RING, 28374A1/BUSHING ASSEMBLY, SHIFT SHAFTand 31249/OIL SEAL to finish.

Mechanic & I cleaned points, installed carb tune-up kits (the carbs, bowls, passages, floats were pristine!) and while reassembling he dropped the magneto and broke the endcap (SKU: 1577). We epoxied it as a temp fix and then when we tried to put the MAGNETO ROTOR ASEMBLY (SKU: 1560A1) back in it broke in three parts. Epoxied that too! Put the gas on, hooked up the batt. and bingo-she fired immediately and went to idle right away with a strong, smooth sound. I'm really happy but sad too-found the rotor but it's $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and so is the endcap.

I think I have a foot for it so if I can get these parts for less than the cost of a new motor I would be very grateful.

Any suggestions? What about these: #1652A1/MAGNETO ASSEMBLY, COMPLETE? They are much cheaper-will it have the end cap and rotor included?
 

emckelvy

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Re: No Spark on a '62 450

Check eBay Motors, I've seen complete working mags there for much less than the price of the new replacement parts. Or you might find a parts motor on your local Craigslist.

HTH & G'luck......ed
 
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Re: No Spark on a '62 450

Okay-so I've got spark and have located the new rotor and mag cover. However, before I buy more parts, I have a problem with the foot.

The area around the shaft was impacted pretty good with corrosion. I can't believe they designed it this way. An opening in the top for dirt and sand and then just two tiny weep holes at the bottom of the cavities around the shaft housing to drain!

Anyway, as you can see, I had to dremel out the retainer. The shaft turns nicely and shifts-I just don't know if the casing around it will take a new bushing screwed in.

Does anyone have a line on a foot? Suggestions? Thanks!

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