non vortec to vortec engine swap

ohioguy

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I had been planning to swap in vortec heads and go to a four barrel carb on my 89 celebrity. I found a deal on a complete 4.3 vortec motor with good miles. My plan is to take my time to build this motor over the next few months and swap it this winter. Is this possible? I have read tons about people swapping the heads but need confirmation that I can use the whole motor. Also any tips on this matter would be welcome. Thanks Yall
 

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Re: non vortec to vortec engine swap

Ayuh,... Anything is Possible,+ That is doable, but not without glitches....
There'll probably be a fuel pump issue...
 

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Re: non vortec to vortec engine swap

A project such as you are planning can be done and is probably a good idea. It will add power without adding weight.
You need to make sure whichever cam you use is a marine one. In other words if the donor motor cam is different you either reuse the old one or get a new one that is right for marine use. The wrong cam can grenade your motor quick though water reversion. That's a fancy term that describes water entering the combustion chambers through the exhaust. It can happen during valve overlap on a road engine.
You will also need a different intake manifold, and valve covers, although there is a chance the donor motor pieces will work.
I want to do Vortec heads on my 5.7 but life keeps getting in the way.
I am by no means the final word on this stuff, just been following along on this subject this winter.
 

ohioguy

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Re: non vortec to vortec engine swap

Bond-o I assume that an aftermarket electric fuel pump will be in order or can i use the fuel pump on the motor now? The donor motor is a blazer motor so I think the cam will work. Anything else you guys can think of?
 

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Re: non vortec to vortec engine swap

If you run a carburetor setup, fuel pump should not be a problem. The reason I think that entered the discussion is because carb'd engines only run about 7psi line pressure where Vortec fuel injection needs about 60psi for the injectors to operate properly.

I doubt a Blazer cam will work - seriously doubt it. You would need to have a spec sheet on the cam, or degee it to verify NO cam lobe overlap to be sure. Water ingestion through the exhaust would kill your new engine right quick, and it will kill it ala broken piston/s or bent rod/s. I don't have a good feel for whether you just want to swap heads OR if you want to drop in the whole Blazer engine and make it work in a boat, but suspect the later. If so, you'll need a MARINE master gasket kit that will have marine gaskets and brass freeze plugs. Vortecs run roller cams, you probably have a standard cam in your current setup.

Vortec heads have intake bolt holes that are vertical whereas the earlier heads had angled bolt holes. I'm not sure offhand on the TBI motors that were in between production carb'd engines and Vortecs. To 'do it right' you may need a new intake manifold with vertical holes. I have heard of guys using a drill or ream to modify angled bolt intakes to bolt onto Vortec heads.

If you run the Vortec block, that means you will have a 1-piece RMS and I think the crank bolt pattern for the coupler is different between 1-piece RMS crankss and 2-piece RMS cranks. So you may need a new coupler, which probably isn't a bad idea to replace anyhow as you will have the engine out.

You may have to run higher octane fuel with the Vortec heads due to higher compression but the lower operating temp of the engine in a marine environment may help prevent pre-ignition.

You may want to consider replacing the timing chain & gear while you have the engine out and oil pan off. Replacing the oil pump may not be a bad move either. The aluminum Vortec oil pans are "structural", which means they bolt to the transmission bell housing in an automotive environment; oil pan has flat flanges on the back of it. I don't think this will cause you problems with the Mercruiser bell housing, but you never know. If it does, there should be enough meat on the oil pan to modify it with cutting discs / grinder, but don't be surprised if you can't get the Mercruiser bell housing inspection cover to bolt up slam-dunk style.
 

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Re: non vortec to vortec engine swap

The fuel pump was brought up because he has a mechanical pump, there will be no place to mount one on the new block, so he will have to convert to electric. Not difficult, but it is an extra expense.

Blazer cam is fine - nasty little secret - that "high performance marine cam" that mercruiser uses is just a good old GM truck (or blazer) piece. check the numbers when you pull the old engine.

1 piece rear seal was intorduced in '87 so this is a non issue.

There is absolutely no need to run high octane for a "stock" vortec conversion.

Yes a new intake manifold (I recoment the edelbrock 2114)will be needed, but this is the perfect time to add a 4bbl for the complete package.

Bell housing is no problem - chevy bolt pattern is a chevy bolt pattern.

What does all this mean? A solid 50-60hp increase at the prop. You WILL feel it.

...and go ahead and budget for a new prop.
 

ohioguy

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Re: non vortec to vortec engine swap

Thanks for all the help guys. I do plan on running the four barrel manifold and carb, the cam I am confident from all my reading will work but ill be sure to check it when everythings apart. Not just gonna slap this together and pray. I have all kinds of time to get this done as I have a good running boat right now. Thats the point in going with the entire engine. I plan on switching to marine style brass core plugs and stainless head gaskets. Once again thanks for your guys help. I plan on keeping track of all the bumps along the way so hopefully a very muddy subject can be cleared up.thanks
 

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Well, So I bought a boat.. , for starters, you're replying to a 10 year old thread, which is a no-no. If you ask a moderator, they can move your reply into your own thread, where you're more likely to get some help.

Welcome to iboats! You've come to the right place for help!
 
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