Oh god ice everywhere!! Help!!

jrolland

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Ok guys this here is the story I will try to keep it short and to the point so it is easier to help me out.

I am in the process of restoring a 1975 Sea Ray SRV190 it sat for 8 years and is decent shape for its year also it was repowered at some point with a Merc 260. I had it running last year and it runs excellent but due to other issues it never saw the water. My friend and I winterized the boat this past fall and I thought I had everything taken care of. The trailer has a tilt featuer so I even tilted it up so the water could drain out. I periodically went and cleared snow off it through out the winter so it didn't get too heavy.

So, today was a pretty nice and sunny day. I decided to go and get started on some of the work I have. My main goal today was to remove the starter so I could get a new one. Well when I took the cover off and got inside I was met by a massive amount of ice. I guess the drain hole froze up before the water was able to get out. Then from there it just kept collecting until it go to the point where it filled about 80% of the bilge and about half way up the oil pan, oil filter, starter and even part of the transom. (As you will see in the pics)

Now to my question, am I pretty much guaranteed to see some damage to the engine or will I be ok? I was trying to chip the ice away but with the wiring being such a mess they are everywhere under the ice so I didn't want to damage anything else. Mthieme told me to wait and let nature thaw it, but then Mark42 made me nervous by saying it could have seeped into the engine block and froze too.

I don't know what to do or if there is any damage at this point. Based on the amount of ice do you guys think there will be damage? and if so what could I be looking at as far as repairing this mess?? Thanks for any help guys!!

As you can see in the first pic the starter in the bottom right hand corner is almost covered in ice. And the second pic just shows how much of the bilge is iced over.

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coastalcruiser

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Re: Oh god ice everywhere!! Help!!

if it starts and you have some flavor you could make some serious slushies :)
Maybe a heater but nature will melt it too.
 

bigbob_FTW

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Re: Oh god ice everywhere!! Help!!

I've done that with water (no ice). I had to clean the starter and trim pump, but everything worked ok afterward. try some hot water on the ice.
 

Bob_VT

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Re: Oh god ice everywhere!! Help!!

You obviously picked up some leftovers from foliage season that blocked the drain hole...... it only takes one leaf.

Move the boat out into where the sun will shine down on the stern and motor.

Forget trying any tricks which could add to the damage. You really can not see what is been harmed until the water is out.
 

a70eliminator

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Re: Oh god ice everywhere!! Help!!

At least hang a 100W bulb or something heat lamp maybe just be carefull where you point it, I wouldn't be patient enough to wait on mother nature, that could take weeks.
This happened to me one time here in Ohio only mine was an outboard motor boat so I was able to get in there and bust 50lb hunks, it just takes a couple strategic whacks with a chisel and it cracked clear through, took the whole mess out in about 4 or 5 managable chunks, but on yours it's all sorta locked in by the bilge walls, not to mention the pan hoses and wiring, i don't know maybe the best thing would be just to keep it in the SUN FINALLY THE SUN!
 

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Re: Oh god ice everywhere!! Help!!

Ayuh,...

All you can do is let it thaw out,+ See what the damages are...
 

Revenge

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Re: Oh god ice everywhere!! Help!!

Once the top layer of ice melts, where would the water go if the drain was still frozen?? I had a simular problem. I used rock salt. Two things happened. One, I was able to remove small amounts of ice, and second the rock salt worked its way down to the drain allowing the drain to clear.
 

rbh

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Re: Oh god ice everywhere!! Help!!

hello there all froze up-
Here is a couple of thoughts. first use a trouble lite with the metal bracket not plastic, use 100w bulb place light in big coffee can, place under engine.
dont use hair drier because of possible fuel vapors, cover with tarp and let sit. The top of your engine looks as if it has just been dripped/snowed on then froze if your lucky you can just remove the ice as it melts then take your spark plugs out before cranking it over , this way when you turn it over any water in the cylinders will blow out and you will not bend your valves when it comes up on a compresion stroke(remember to shoot a little oil in plug holes after you crank the water out.
rbh
 

jrolland

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Re: Oh god ice everywhere!! Help!!

Once the top layer of ice melts, where would the water go if the drain was still frozen?? I had a simular problem. I used rock salt. Two things happened. One, I was able to remove small amounts of ice, and second the rock salt worked its way down to the drain allowing the drain to clear.

Exactly! I don't know where the water is going to after it melts! I was thinking the rock salt as well but then I thought about cleaning up the salt afterward.

move some where warmer...

Believe me I wish I could. Right now it is surrounded by at least a foot of snow. So moving it is out of the question.

hello there all froze up-
Here is a couple of thoughts. first use a trouble lite with the metal bracket not plastic, use 100w bulb place light in big coffee can, place under engine.
dont use hair drier because of possible fuel vapors, cover with tarp and let sit. The top of your engine looks as if it has just been dripped/snowed on then froze if your lucky you can just remove the ice as it melts then take your spark plugs out before cranking it over , this way when you turn it over any water in the cylinders will blow out and you will not bend your valves when it comes up on a compresion stroke(remember to shoot a little oil in plug holes after you crank the water out.
rbh

The light and coffee can thing is not a bad idea. Is it safe to just leave it though? Right now the boat is sitting at my house on the lake which is close but still a 15 minute drive. I wouldn't want anything to happen to the boat or god forbid the house. I will look into it more though.

Thanks for all the suggestions guys! I am going to take a look a little later and see what I can do.
 

chiefalen

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Re: Oh god ice everywhere!! Help!!

Water displacer #40.

I was thinking about a rod up the drain hole also hot to get a channel going.

Then with the dog house off for a little while and a hair blower like i use on the freezer when it's time to defrost it.

After a while you can tap the ice with a hammer, and break it up and throw it out of the boat.

I bet in 2 hours you have it out.

A word about the hammer, you don't want to hit it like a cheating wife, tap it.
 

jrolland

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Re: Oh god ice everywhere!! Help!!

After I got out of work yesterday I went up to check it out. To my surprise I found the ice had melted some despite the cold. I started with a piece of steele rod and a torch so I could clear out the drain hole. Once that was done I got some hot water and slowly started to pour it in the bilge. I was very surprised to see that there was only 2 inches of ice on the top and noting underneath. So after 3 hours are clearing away the ice I have almost all of it out of the bilge and a little bit left on by the transom. So far from what I can see there appears to be no damage. I guess I will find out when I change the oil and get her ready for summer. Thanks for all your help guys I will keep you posted in my restoration thread!
 

krisnowicki

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Re: Oh god ice everywhere!! Help!!

when it comes time to get ready for the summer. Take the belts of an paint those pulleys. That rust will shread the belts
 

jrolland

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Re: Oh god ice everywhere!! Help!!

when it comes time to get ready for the summer. Take the belts of an paint those pulleys. That rust will shread the belts

Wow ok, is there a certain kind of paint I should use?
 
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