OMC Cobra 5.0 with no (and I mean none) water getting into engine

danpcrisp

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So I have a 1989 Reinell with OMC 5.0 - brief history to give context to problem. Boat is on lake only in spring/summer months. Last year boat performed fine all season. Off lake last October and dry stored until May this year (same as every year). Changed impeller to begin season. Boat was run twice without issue. On third run, pegged thermostat, shut down engine and got towed back to marina to trailer boat. Once out of the water, had impeller changed (the old one had shredded and lost a vane - perhaps due to dry starting) - shop said they checked hoses at PS cooler for debris, tested on muffs and it ran at 160. Boat back in water, made it home (about 3 miles), but it started getting hot (190) on way back. Once back to home dock, it runs hot from get go after a couple minutes. I replaced the thermostat, but it still ran hot. So I pulled each hose (one at a time) off the thermostat housing and I'm getting no water, just exhaust gas and a little water vapor. I checked and there's nothing blocking the intake on the outdrive, and it sounds like it may be a seal issue.

So, I have a couple concerns and they may have the same cause. One, something caused it to suddenly run hot (sounds like blockage, but maybe seal) even before the old impeller shredded. Now, without there being any water flow (and before I have to try and trailer it - yet again, to get it out of the water and to a shop), I wanted to get some input. I was going through the OMC service manual, trying to get clues of where the problem could be, but I think much of the initial things to check, like intake screen or water tube would require the boat to be out of the water and me to take the outdrive apart. So I was curious as to (given my limited explanation) any ideas as to what the probable culprit could be - again if I have to take it out, I will, but if there's some other things I could look at first, I will.

What's odd to me is that it ran on several occasions fine and then would overheat.
 

PaJon

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What does the new impeller look like ? If it looks fine I would check the water tube between the transom mount and gimbal housing, make sure it hasn't pulled out.
 

danpcrisp

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Is water tube something I can check with the boat in the water and can you explain where it is? Sorry I'm mechanical but not very experienced with marine engines/pumps.
 
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MRS

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You have to pull and split the outdrive seals and tube between the two. Do you have the factory OMC manual?
 

danpcrisp

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I do have a PDF version of the manual, but that has to be done with boat out of the water, right?
 

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It is not unheard of for the impeller drive shaft to shear off on those. The impeller when installed should not freewheel, can you spin the impeller by hand?
 

danpcrisp

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I couldn't look at anything last night, but later today I will check the impeller and the drive shaft - that I know I can do in the water - though by hanging over the back of the boat, or by getting my waders on :)
 

danpcrisp

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So I checked and the impeller is fine, the drive shaft is fine. The weird part is that I was just messing and tightened the belts and decided to start it and it started pulling water in. I let it idle for a while and it held around 165-170, then I was going to take it for a quick test drive so I shut it down. When I restarted it I could tell it wasn't pulling water again and the temp soon shot up to over 200. So I guess I'm going to have to pull it out of the water again. The way it keeps seemingly randomly working and then not plays into the recent overheating history but still doesn't help me better understand what's going on.
 

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Wondering if the impeller hub can spin on the shaft on those, or if the impeller can spin on the hub...?
 

danpcrisp

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Wondering if the impeller hub can spin on the shaft on those, or if the impeller can spin on the hub...?
Not sure about that, but I've about reached my level of knowledge and patience. Talked to the shop I had it at last time it was out of the water and he's going to look at it again, so I'm going to pull it out of the water and I'll report back what I find.
 

danpcrisp

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So the shop sent a mechanic out to look at the boat before I took it off the water and he said the impeller housing is bad. Not sure why he (same mechanic) didn't catch it when it was at the shop, so I'm curious. I'm also thinking that if the housing were cracked (or somehow bad), it would definitely suck air and prevent it from pulling water as it should, but he didn't even pull the rear cover plate off to look at the impeller housing, so I'm not sure how he could determine that so quickly. Anyway, after it's replaced, I'm report back whether that was it or not.
 

MRS

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Did you actually pull the impeller out and look at it plus when you fire up the motor was there water coming out the vent hole on the cover?
 

bruceb58

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It's good its still in the water. Really hard to test this out of the water since muffs can mask any problems you have.
 

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I have experienced something similar. Took off the hose that supplies the thermostat housing with water, and nothing came out, when the engine ran. After trying almost anything, I took off the outdrive and examined every inch. Between the upper and lowerunit is a copper pipe, approx 3/4" diameter, 4 inch long. It is placed in the exhaust channel and water is being sucked through this pipe from the lowerunit. Corrosion had formed a hole in this pipe, so instead of water, the pump sucked exhaust gasses.

The outdrive have to be separated, to replace this pipe. The rubberseals at each pipe end should be checked/replaced also.

When this pipe was replaced, the outdrive pumped water again.
 

danpcrisp

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Ok, after all was said and done, the problem was a crack in the impeller housing causing it to suck air. Glad that's all it was, and ended up being a quick diagnosis for the marine mechanic. Thanks for all the input - good to have the support found here.
 
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