only four cylinders firing

dsumm

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Cylinders 2-3-5-8 are not firing on my 351 Cobra engine. Compresson is good, idle switch is good. How does the carberator feed the cylinders? Which barrel is for which cylinders? Is this a possibility?? Need some help please
 

dsumm

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Re: only four cylinders firing

Spark is good, also new plugs and rotor. Have switched wires trouble stays with the cylinder
 

JasonB

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Re: only four cylinders firing

2 or 4 barrel carb? Is compression OK in those cylinders?
 

magster65

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Re: only four cylinders firing

It sounds like you have a dual plenum manifold and one side of your carb is not delivering fuel correctly. Just a guess :)
 

dsumm

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Re: only four cylinders firing

Compression is good on all cylinders and it is a 4 barrel carb. Somewhere I was told that the carb delivers fuel to the 2 inside cylinders on one banl and the 2 outside cylinders on the other bank? If this is true would it be a clog in the intake maniford or the carberator or possibly either. Just before this happened I had the risers and exhaust manifolds replaced and the plugs in the engine as I had water in the engine. I used it once leading up to this for a 2 hour trip to Captiva Island off of Florida
 

DJP

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Re: only four cylinders firing

The way a standard 4bbl carb works is...(This will be a bit lengthy) assuming you're facing the engine, waterpump in front of you. Ford, so distributor in front of you also. The way a standard 4bbl carb is mounted, be it, Rochester, Holley, Carter etc.. Is the front two "quadrants" of the carb are the secondaries, the rear two "quadrants" are the primaries. Whether you have a dual plane or single plane is really irrelevent since it is obvious you are getting fuel to both banks of the engine. Hence the ability to detect that you do not have active cylinders. 2,3,5,8. The secondaries consist of two noticibly larger air fuel mixture journals than the primaries, thus the increase in power when more throttle is applied. I.E. more fuel/air mixture goes forth, blah blah blah. The primaries are the most utilized parts on the carb, entwined therwith is the idle mechanism, and air/flow adjustment. As well as the primary jets. In a active carburation system the "quadrants" we'll just say for now that your two front "quadrants" the secondaries are 3&4 3 being on the left. The primaries are the rear quadrants 1&2 1 being on the left. When the carb is functioning properly, upon initial startup 1&2 will be open slightly in accordance with where the idle screw is set. Depending on many variables, the primaries 1&2 will continue to open as more throttle is applied, at point X, be-it rpm influenced, throttle linkage influenced or timing influenced the secondaries will begin to open 3&4, after the specific point is reached whereupon the primaries are providing as much fuel as they can and thereby need assistance from the secondaries. So you follow ? 1&2 open simutaneously feeding a fuel/air mixture to ALL cylinders, then as throttle increases 3&4 open feeding yet more fuel/air into ALL cylinders. The fact that 2,3,5,8 are not functioning properly, to me indicates an out of sequence plug wire combination. One can hook up all of the plug wires on a typical v-8 engine and inevitably some or all will cause ignition in the cylinders, so the engine can still run even if the wires are totally screwed up. 1st you must determine which cylinder is #1. I believe on the ford it will be the front right. In any case it will be the furthest cylinder forward on the engine. Then that bank of cylinders will be the odd bank, 1,3,5,7, and the other will be the even bank 2,4,6,8. On the harmonic balancer locate TDC and rotate the engine by hand until TDC is reached on the #1 cylinder. Once that is complete remove (if necessary) the distributor and reset it on the cam gear (in the hole)so that the rotor is pointing to the #1 cylinder, or at least as closely as possible. Then put the cap back on, snug the distributor to the block not tight, you must be able to move it by hand to finalize timing. Then starting with the #1 plug wire connection on the distributor cap connect all of the wires clockwise in this order to these cylinders. 1,3,7,2,6,5,4,8. I don't think you're problem is carburation. Good luck
 

JasonB

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Re: only four cylinders firing

Good thought on the plug wire order. Just redid mine and should have thought of that. It may be different on the 351, but the wires go counter clockwise on my 302 and it is a standard rotation engine. Also, #1 plug is the plug opposite the fuel pump. Ie, looking at the front of the engine, the front left plug, exactly opposie a GM. I tried timing off the one over the fuel pump one day by accident and it was not a fun adventure.... The numbering on a Ford does not alternate sides. The plugs order is 1-4 on the left and 5-8 on the right. Ford 351W firing order is 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8. All this assumes that OMC didn't change things from Ford design. Mercruiser didn't when they used these engines, except some of their 302's used the 351 firing order/cam/heads.
 

dsumm

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Re: only four cylinders firing

Two people have checked the plug wiring and it is correct. This trouble started after a 1 1/2 hour return trip. It ran ok until them. I want to thank everyone for their very helpful comments and suggestions. I can actually choke out one barrel towards the front of the engine on the side where 5-8 cylinders are with no effect on the engine but if I do the other barrel on the left next to 1-4 it stalls the engine.
 

tmclendon

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Re: only four cylinders firing

I had a 351C with a 2-plane manifold. You can determine if you have a 2-plane manifold by looking at the plenum (the part of the manifold under the carb). If there is a divider between the left and right you have a 2-plane manifold. The 'floor' of the plenum will be at different levels on each side of the divider. And you are right, on this engine one side feeds the center 2 cylinders of one bank and the outermost 2 cylinders on the other. So yes one of your carb "sides" feeds # 1-4-6-7 (the left side of the carb, if you are standing in front of the engine looking to the rear) and the other feeds 2-3-5-8. Look for a clogged jet or other carb problem. Note: At WOT the secondaries should open up and then I would think you would get at least some power from the 'dead' bank, as the secondary side is probably fine. The primary barrels are the set in the front, under the choke butterfly. The secondaries are in the rear, no choke. They may be the same size (square bore, usually a holley), or the secondaries may be larger, aka a Spreadbore such as a rochester quadrajet.<br /><br />Here's a crude drawing of how the cylinders are numbered on a Ford:<br /><br /> rear<br />4 8<br />3 7<br />2 6<br />1 5<br /> () <--distributor<br />front<br /><br />Good luck...<br /><br />Tom
 
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