Oregon tax hike goes down in flames!!

[JGREGORY]

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Re: Oregon tax hike goes down in flames!!

Plywoody, If your Idea was to baffle me with BS you succeeded. <br /><br />Please explain.

If you are going completely off the wall and incomprehensible, I will give up.<br /><br />First of all, we don't live in a democracy, we live in a representative republic, and we all can take it as a given that no form of government is perfect, nor is it perfectable. No matter who is elected. OK.<br /><br />Now then, all I wanted to know was if Oregon was going to cut 800 million out of their state budget, just exactly what you all think should be cut? I don't think it fair that the same service level is expected, while providing significantly less revenue to fund it. It is not realistic.<br />

To make my point so simple even you will understand it.<br /><br />Scrap the Current budget period.<br /><br />First: Take all the things that are a major function of Government. IE roads , schools, Security......<br /><br />Second: Total your revenues.<br /><br />If money left over you have a surplus if not you have to raise revenues thru taxes or fees. <br /><br /> If there is a surplus then and only then can you start to do some social engineering. <br /><br />We have come to expect government to take care of social wellfare first and everything else comes second. Those priorites need to change.

 

[LubeDude]

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Plywoody:<br /><br />This is just what we are trying to tell you, and all of the people that think the way you do!<br /><br />"Now then, all I wanted to know was if Oregon was going to cut 800 million out of their state budget, just exactly what you all think should be cut?"<br /><br />You do not understand, We are not "CUTTING" Anything, We just do not want to give them $800,000,000.00 dollars more to squander! Put the priorities in order!<br /><br />Kids got a better education in one room schoolhouse than they get today. I saw somewhere the other day a test the kids about 70 years ago had to take to go from the 8th grade to high school. I dont think the highschool kids today could have come close to passing it! Id be all for giving the teachers a cane pole again so they could smack the kids for being out of line, but oh no, we might disturb the poor little minds!

 

[Homerr]

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That's exactly what my teachers did to us when I was in school LubeDude!<br /><br />I wish we could bring that back. Smack the little snot-noses once, and they'll pay attention!<br /><br />But noooo.... The liberals wouldn't have that. It might stunt them for life and become some kind of serial killer!<br /><br />H.

 

[NathanY]

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Re: Oregon tax hike goes down in flames!!

First of all, we don't live in a democracy, we live in a representative republic, and we all can take it as a given that no form of government is perfect, nor is it perfectable. No matter who is elected. OK.

As a matter of fact we DO NOT live in a representative repulic, or that is not what the forefathers had planned. The jackhole politicans made it that way. <br /><br />We were meant to live in a Constitutional Republic, where as all legislation, judicial decisions, and executive orders are suspose to reflect the constitution. <br /><br />

We set up a representative democracy for this very purpose--in that the people do not enact the laws, the elect the people that do it, and if they don't like the results, they are free to elect someone else.<br />

Only 40 percent of the popluation is currently registered to vote, and of those only 15 percent of the population votes at any given election. That would tell me that the majority of the population does not like what they see and choose not to vote, while the minority of the people vote. Which tells me that we are not a majority ruled nation. We are infact a minority ruled nation, we are infact an Oligarchy. <br /><br />Now why should the minority make the rule for the majority? That doesnt seem fair to me, but unfortunately that is the way it is, and things are gonna get worse until it changes.

 

[Homerr]

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Re: Oregon tax hike goes down in flames!!

Here's an interesting web site on the facts and myths of measure 30:<br /><br /> MEASURE 30-FUNDING MYTHS AND REALITIES <br /><br />Of course... it is a web site for a state rep, but it's interesting nonetheless.<br /><br />H.

 

[Boomyal]

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How might that change, Nathan? <br /><br />People 'don't vote' because they are lazy and ignorant not because they don't like the choices.<br />Personally I like the idea of the country being run by those that care enough to go to the polls.<br /><br />If an oligarchy it is, then it is by choice not by force.

 

[NathanY]

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Re: Oregon tax hike goes down in flames!!

Section 20. Equality of privileges and immunities of citizens. No law shall be passed granting to any citizen or class of citizens privileges, or immunities, which, upon the same terms, shall not equally belong to all citizens.—<br /><br />Section 32. Taxes and duties; uniformity of taxation. No tax or duty shall be imposed without the consent of the people or their representatives in the Legislative Assembly; and all taxation shall be uniform on the same class of subjects within the territorial limits of the authority levying the tax. [Constitution of 1859; Amendment proposed by H.J.R. 16, 1917, and adopted by the people June 4, 1917]<br /><br />I read Oregon's Constitution, and no where did I see where the government was suspose to give any tax money to anyone, nor provide any kind of social programs.

 

[JGREGORY]

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Re: Oregon tax hike goes down in flames!!

Great points Nate.

 

[NathanY]

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People 'don't vote' because they are lazy and ignorant not because they don't like the choices.<br />Personally I like the idea of the country being run by those that care enough to go to the polls.<br />

This simply is not true. You mean to tell me that if there where 2 presidential candidates that you totally did not like, that you would vote for one of them anyway, just so you could say you voted?

 

[Boomyal]

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Yes Nathan, as nothing is perfect, I would except in the rarest of circumstances pick the one who MOST CLOSELY represented my point of view. To do otherwise would be ignorant! Maybe if they ever instituted a 'none of the above' and then we would have to vote again if one candidate did not get a majority, then....<br /><br />

Originally posted by plywoody:<br />But to try to establish a legislature, and then have some outside group usurp the power of the legislature by directly enacting laws through the initiative process, can only lead to chaos.

Well Plywoody, maybe it'll work to your advantage. You'll get to vote on Gov. Locke's sales tax increase. Hmmmm now, let me guess which way you will vote?

 

[plywoody]

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The initiative process will never work to my advantage, no matter what the vote, and what the outcome. <br /><br />It is a completely flawed system. There is no possible way that the voters can understand a specific issue thoroughly enough to make an informed decision on it. We elect hopefully intelligent representatives to be our political leaders, that have staffs, that are supposed to analyze a specific issue, find out what the ramifications are likely to be from a certain position, and make decisions that really represent our best interests (or at least the best interests of those of similar political philosophys)<br /><br />In every issue, you get both intended and unintended results, that are not always apparent from a cursory look. <br /><br />BTW, although my profile suggests I live in Wa State, Bushonomics has forced me to move to Northern Michigan, and I have no idea of the relative merits of Locke's tax proposal.