Overheating? That's an understatement!

dwleo

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This is on my Volo-Penta AQ170C/280 in a 22 ft Fibreform

OK, here is the problem as it has progressed. Originally I had a overheating problem when using the muffs on land. Through this forum, I ended up drilling some holes in the thermostat and the overheating went away. I even ran it for over 10 mins at fast idle. It was good. Then I had recurring problems with sealing rings leaking - and through the forum again, got them solved. Then I had on major water leak where the exhaust attaches to the boot prior to exiting the transom. Got that solved by resetting the bandclamp properly. Great!
Finally got it into the water on Sunday and decided to stick near shore for the first while to ensure everything was OK. After watching the water temp climb to normal and stay there as I tootled around and no leaks around the sealing rings. So I opened it up and right away I smelled rubber overheating. Put the engine in neutral and checked things. The rubber exhaust boot had some water coming out of it but not enough to cause a concern (I thought). Then I noticed that the water outlet through the transom wasn't really putting out that much water. And the rubber smell was getting worse and we were about 1/4 to 1/2 mile offshore. Turned to head back to the marina and smoke was now emminating from the boot along with an acrid smell of burning rubber. Glanced at the water temp gauge and it was pegged in the 'hot' range. I put it in neutral and the revs went crazy so I put it in gear again only slow. Not getting any oomph from the engine due to overheating. I gave it one last full throttle (for what it was worth) then shut it down and coasted towards the dock with the aid of oars. Current started taking me to the rocks but the engine would not restart. I was able to push off with the oar and another boat (Thank you!) towed us over. I was soooo pissed off at the boat. By the time I got it out of the water the engine had cooled considerably but would not restart to flush the system. I went back to the boat today and pulled the exhaust manifold off and the boot. Man, the boot seemed like it was mostly liquid rubber. I turned off the through-the-hull water pick-up and hooked a hose to the system and all ports seem to flow well. And there was no water in the oil so I assume the head gasket was OK although I didn't take a compression check of it. My impeller was replaced before I bought the boat in April and I did recheck it and greased it slightly a month ago. Anyway I took the manifold home to clean it up and check the water passages. All seems to be OK. Now I know the manifold is old and it looks it but a new one is really expensive.
So, my question to you is this:
Can a leak in the exhaust boot cause this problem? I can't see how it could. I am wondering if the head gasket or the manifold failed (manifold gasket looked good) only to allow water to flow into the exhaust therefore sending bitching hot steam into the exhaust boot and causing it to fail. Water diverted like this would also cause major overheating, I would think. How could this be tested while off the boat?
Man, this boat is starting bother me alot!
 

Maclin

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Re: Overheating? That's an understatement!

A leak in the exhaust boot will not cause that problem of engine overheating, although the boot could get hot up top since the water is running out before it can benefit the whole boot. Also, that much water exiting will tickle your bilge pump occasionally.

Have you checked the impeller again?

Regarding this statement..."the water outlet through the transom wasn't really putting out that much water", I am not sure what water you can see exiting the transom, all of the exhaust exits are underwater just sitting or at low speed. Maybe you have thru-hull exhaust?

And the thru-hull water pickup, has that been installed for a while? And it worked ok, water got up to the raw water pump ok before this?
 

dwleo

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Re: Overheating? That's an understatement!

There is a hose that runs from the back on the exhaust manifold out through the transom. This is just before the manifold goes through a 90 deg bend to dump into the boot.
This is #24 in the diagram.

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The thru-hull was apparently working previously.
 

HorizonblueDK

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Re: Overheating? That's an understatement!

This is on my Volo-Penta AQ170C/280 in a 22 ft Fibreform

Originally I had a overheating problem when using the muffs on land. Through this forum, I ended up drilling some holes in the thermostat and the overheating went away.

I certainly do not hope that anybody on this forum advised you to drill holes in the thermostat, that is NOT a cure to an overheating problem.............

Overheating when running on muffs is not a major concern. In that situation, the watersupply is not always adequate. It can only be concluded whether the engine is overheating or not, when the boat is in the water.

But your engine definitely overheats. The most commen problem when overheating, is an obstruction somewhere in the system, or a leak before the raw water pump(and off course bad pumps)

- Oil cooler blocked
- Corroded water-neck on the outdrive(below the u-joint bellow)
- faulty thermostat (your pierced thermostat IS faulty)
 

dwleo

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Re: Overheating? That's an understatement!

- Oil cooler blocked
- Corroded water-neck on the outdrive(below the u-joint bellow)
- faulty thermostat (your pierced thermostat IS faulty)

If the oil cooler was blocked, the overheating would be evident in the state of the oil and it is still clean-looking and seemimngly fresh.
Water-neck is past the engine so I don't quite see how this would be the problem.
Thermostat works just fine. Opens when it should and allows a bit of water circulation prior to running temp.
 

trophy boat

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Re: Overheating? That's an understatement!

Holes in thermostat, bad advice
Water neck leaking is very common. It looks fine on the outside and is corroded on the inside. It has a vacuum on it sucking water from the outside. A leak there will greatly reduce, or stop raw water flow. Realize, the raw water pump is upstream from this neck. A vacuum leak would do what you describe.
Don't rule suggestions out so quickly.
 

dwleo

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Re: Overheating? That's an understatement!

Holes in thermostat, bad advice
Water neck leaking is very common. It looks fine on the outside and is corroded on the inside. It has a vacuum on it sucking water from the outside. A leak there will greatly reduce, or stop raw water flow. Realize, the raw water pump is upstream from this neck. A vacuum leak would do what you describe.
Don't rule suggestions out so quickly.

How would one check this out sufficiently?
 

sqbtr

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Re: Overheating? That's an understatement!

The water neck is located at the top of the inermediate section, easier to pull the upper (transmission) and just replace the neck if age is unknown. Another source is the sea water strainer, if it still has the original, the top cover sucks air because the steel under the rubber coating has started to rust.
 

Maclin

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Re: Overheating? That's an understatement!

dwleo,

You mentioned a thru-hull raw water pick-up. That would not be OEM which picks up water thru the drive. Do you have a separate thru-hull connection on the bottom of the hull for raw water pickup?
 

dwleo

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Re: Overheating? That's an understatement!

Yes. It goes from thru hull to a tee connection with shut off valves. The tee has one to one valve and from there to the thru hull. Another to a shut off valve and then to a garden hose connector. The last on the tee goes to the raw pump. When in water the thru hull valve isd open and the garden hose is closed. Running out of the water then you do the opposite (naturally). I think I better check the flow from the thru hull to the pump as this could cause overheating if even partially plugged.
 

diesel1960

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Re: Overheating? That's an understatement!

Hi ,I do have AQ170/280 leg.After reading all threads I assume that your through-the-hull is the problem.
Had before AQ130C with overheating problem,found out to much wear in my leg pick-up tube so I decided to redirect house through -hull ,and it did't work despite I try to use different location. I explain this before on this forum when the boat is on speed hull or transom create vacuum-drop of pressure and any kind of pump will straggle to work efficient,I also try electric pump ,trust me nothing work at high speed.
It took Volvo Penta guys years to design water pick-up at the bottom of out-drive.
 

sqbtr

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Re: Overheating? That's an understatement!

Lets see some pics of your set up
 

diesel1960

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Re: Overheating? That's an understatement!

You must comeback to original design but be aware someone change that because there is probably air leak in the pick-up system.
 

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Re: Overheating? That's an understatement!

You mentioned changing the impeller on the raw water pump but have you checked the circulating water pump? If that's not working right, raw water will just sit there in the thermostat housing since the raw water pump doesn't have enough pressure to push it through the engine.
 

dwleo

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Re: Overheating? That's an understatement!

Hi ,I do have AQ170/280 leg.After reading all threads I assume that your through-the-hull is the problem.
Had before AQ130C with overheating problem,found out to much wear in my leg pick-up tube so I decided to redirect house through -hull ,and it did't work despite I try to use different location. I explain this before on this forum when the boat is on speed hull or transom create vacuum-drop of pressure and any kind of pump will straggle to work efficient,I also try electric pump ,trust me nothing work at high speed.
It took Volvo Penta guys years to design water pick-up at the bottom of out-drive.

What did they come up with?
 

dwleo

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Re: Overheating? That's an understatement!

You mentioned changing the impeller on the raw water pump but have you checked the circulating water pump? If that's not working right, raw water will just sit there in the thermostat housing since the raw water pump doesn't have enough pressure to push it through the engine.

As far as I can tell (had the cir pump off before) it is working properly.
 

dwleo

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Re: Overheating? That's an understatement!

I went to the boat and checked as best I could. Didn't do a compression test as I forgot to bring a tester.
Raw water impeller works as I took off the cover plate and cranked the engine and watched it turn.No blockages found between the raw pickup (thru hull) and the impeller.Impeller to the oil cooler was clean and not obstructed at all.
All piping that runs from exhaust manifold to where ever (oil cooler, thermostat, etc.) all free running.
 

diesel1960

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Re: Overheating? That's an understatement!

Try to run engine at higher RPM with the boat in the water stationary , if not overheat-my theory wins.
 

dwleo

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Re: Overheating? That's an understatement!

Well when I getthe boot (on back order) we will find out. In the meantime, your theory (You must comeback to original design but be aware someone change that because there is probably air leak in the pick-up system.) , if correct, how would one find the air leak in my situation?
 

sqbtr

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Re: Overheating? That's an understatement!

Temporarily install a clear hose at the thru hull pick up and check for air bubbles while someone else drives
 
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