Parafin based outboard oil

[pecheux]

It would seem OMC & Castrol outboard oils are made with a parafin base for smooth running. May I have comments on this ? and if so what other brand of oil would have the same base specs ?<br /><br />Tx<br /><br />PS: Lubedude any chance Amsoil bottles for OMC

 

[roscoe]

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OMC is gone, bought up in bankruptcy by BRP (Bombardier Recreation Products).<br />Best place to find ingredients is on the MSDS sheets. Amsoil has them all listed on their website.<br /><br />It is a poorly kept secret that Amsoil does manufacture and bottle synthetic oils for BRP.

 

[pecheux]

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Hi roscoe, tx for your infos. I did know Bombardier had bought up Omc, that company's home office is almost next door to me. The engines still carry the Johnson name on them.<br /><br />But from what I know, ONLY Castrol and OMC (bottled by Castol) are parafin based oils, What do you know of this synthetic oil for BRP as fare as having parafin in it ?

 

[Bwalker]

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Originally posted by pecheux:<br /> It would seem OMC & Castrol outboard oils are made with a parafin base for smooth running. <br />PS: Lubedude any chance Amsoil bottles for OMC

Most lube oils are parrafinic in nature.

 

[Bwalker]

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Originally posted by roscoe:<br /> <br />It is a poorly kept secret that Amsoil does manufacture and bottle synthetic oils for BRP.

Who ever told you that needs to lay off the pipe. Castrol makes all of BRP's oils. Amsoil will not capature any of the OEM market until they start to bottle tcw3 certified oils.

 

[seahorse5]

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BRP XD30 and XD 50 oils are not made by any oil company, they are a blend of different viscosity base oils by Citgo, and solvents, and an exclusive additive package.<br /><br />A separate company called a blender, mixes the contents and has the production line to bottle and label the oil in drums, jugs, and quarts.

 

[TheOilDoc]

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As member Ben Walker has stated, most engine lubricants come from paraffinic-based crude oils. Really your choice in oil is either conventional base (paraffinic), a blended or semi-synthetic base (both paraffinic and PAO), or fully synthetic (PAO). <br /><br />Paraffinic crude is often wrongfully associated with waxy oils. But during the oil refining process dewaxing is performed and the maximum amount of wax is removed. Believe it or not, a small amount of paraffin is actually beneficial in terms of helping the oil to resist changes in viscosity with temperature, increasing its lubricating properties, and increasing oxidation resistance. <br /><br />These days, paraffinic based crude oils are highly refined into motor oils that will exceed your engine manufacturer's specification.

 

[JC1933]

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Seahorse what is the difference between XD 30 and XD 50 can they be mixed ?

 

[seahorse5]

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The XD50 is a semi-synthetic oil originally designed for the higher internal temps of direct injected outboards. Being semi-synthetic it smokes a lot less than traditional outboard oils and it has more carbon cleaning properties.<br /><br />I had a cylinder head off a motor with over 1000 hours on it and it used XD50 for the last 400 hours (XD 30 for the first 600 hours) and the piston had a soft black coating on it. When I ran my finger over the piston top, the black wiped off and I could read the piston part number. That sold me on using XD50 instead of XD30 in my motors.<br /><br />XD 100 is the full synthetic oil<br /><br />XD 30 is the regular petroleum based TC-W3 oil

 

[Bwalker]

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Sea Horse, I did not know that Citgo produced BRPs marine oils. Which is odd because I correspond with a engineer that works for BRP and sits on the NMMA oil certification commitee. I know for certain that Castrol produces all the Ski Doo/Sea Doo oils. Its odd that they wuld have tow companies producing oil on their behalf, but with mergers one never knows.<br /> At any rate Citgo produces great two cycle oils. They are the OEM oil producer for Yamaha, Redmax, Lawnboy, Echo and I am sure many more.

 

[Bwalker]

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SeaHorse, You are correct.http://msds.walmartstores.com/cache/24030_1.pdf

 

[Bwalker]

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SeaHorse, You are correct.<br /> http://msds.walmartstores.com/cache/24030_1.pdf

 

[roscoe]

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Originally posted by Ben Walker:<br />

Amsoil will not capature any of the OEM market until they start to bottle tcw3 certified oils.

Are you inferring that xd50 and xd100 are tcw-3 rated?<br /><br />Would like to see that in writing. Even the BRP site doesn't claim that.<br /><br />So, tell me, who makes the xd50 and xd100 oils?

 

[roscoe]

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After a much labored search, I found the manufacturer of Evinrude/Johnson XD100. It is not Amsoil, or Citgo, or Shell, or BP, or Ashland, or Pioneer, or Castrol.

 

[seahorse5]

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Originally posted by roscoe:<br />Are you inferring that xd50 and xd100 are tcw-3 rated?<br /><br />Would like to see that in writing. Even the BRP site doesn't claim that.<br /> [/QB]

Reread my post. I stated that XD 30 is TC-W3 rated.<br />XD 50 and Xd 100 are produced for Evinrude and Johnson motors and are not sold or advertised for other engines so they do not need the TC-W3 rating for any reason. Same thing with Merc Opti oil, it is only for a particular use.<br /><br />No one company makes Merc, Yamaha, or J-E oils. They are a blend of additives, solvents, base oils, bright oils, dyes, etc. chosen by each manufacturer with the help of the major additive package companies like Infinium, Lubrizol, Oronite, etc. <br /><br />TC-W3 regulations do not allow any two companies to certify oils that have the same exact formulas. Each one has to be different.

 

[Bwalker]

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[/quote]Are you inferring that xd50 and xd100 are tcw-3 rated?<br /><br />Would like to see that in writing. Even the BRP site doesn't claim that.<br /><br />So, tell me, who makes the xd50 and xd100 oils? [/QB][/quote]<br /> No, I wasnt. I was infering the Amsoil doesnt produce a tcw3 rated oil. <br />Amsoil doesnt not produce oil for Evinrude/Johnson.

 

[Bwalker]

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<br />No one company makes Merc, Yamaha, or J-E oils. They are a blend of additives, solvents, base oils, bright oils, dyes, etc. chosen by each manufacturer with the help of the major additive package companies like Infinium, Lubrizol, etc. <br /><br />[/QB]

Thats not exactly true. Companies like Chevron, and Mobil produce their own additives and base oils and are not mearly blenders. Small <br />companies like Amsoil basicly "bake a cake" with out sourced ingrediants. While big companies like Mobil, Chevron produce most of the ingrediants that go into their formulations. The big companies also produce their own additives as each has a additive MFG division IE Chevron/Oronite.<br />Now I have heard from a good source that Yamalube uses a Oronite(ie Chevron) sourced additive package while being produced by Citgo. and Merc Premium plus is also produced by Citgo, but uses a Infinium add pac. Apparently Citgo doesnt have a in house additive production capability like Mobil and Chevron do.

 

[JB]

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Put a 4 stroke on it, fill it with Mobil 1 and forget the whole thing.

 

[JC1933]

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Thanks for the good information guys.<br /><br /> But is it OK to mix XD 30 with XD 50? my tank holds 3 gallon's have a gallon of XD 30 left over, would it be better to use this off separately or could I ad this to two gal, of XD 50?

 

[seahorse5]

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Ben Walker,<br /><br />You are pretty close. Oronite makes the additive package, a special one, just for Yamaha 2M oil using Citgo base oil stocks.<br /><br />Actually, the big 3 additive companies have "packages" of additives that a company can mix with various solvents and base oils and are guaranteed to be TC-W3 approved as long as the total formula for the oil is not the same as any others. Even competitive oil companies buy additives from the 3 top additive companies.<br /><br /><br />Claude 70,<br /><br />It is always best to run your present oil level down to minumum before adding a different type of oil.