Pertronix Ignitor vs Ignitor II

rogerwa

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I am pulling the trigger on upgrading my points ignition. Does any one have any feedback on whether the Ignitor II is worth the extra money?? I understand it has a protection built-in in the case you leave the ignition on. Any other expereinces that would justify the upgrade??<br /><br />I have a 3.0l Mercruiser in a 17 ft Sea Ray..
 

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Re: Pertronix Ignitor vs Ignitor II

IMHO, if you take the mfg at their word the II would be the prudent choice. How many times have you left your key on for a period of time?? <br /><br />My answer to that question drove me to the II, otherwise I don't believe there is any differenct.
 

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Re: Pertronix Ignitor vs Ignitor II

The ignitor 'II' has a feature that (IMO) makes the 'I' obsolete, variable dwell. The benefits are well worth the extra $$.<br /><br />Aldo
 

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Re: Pertronix Ignitor vs Ignitor II

Originally posted by Dunaruna:<br /> The ignitor 'II' has a feature that (IMO) makes the 'I' obsolete, variable dwell. The benefits are well worth the extra $$.<br /><br />Aldo
Whatchu mean by 'variable dwell, Aldo?
 

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It adjusts the dwell depending on RPM. Retards for startup and advances for WOT and varies throughout the RPM range. I suppose it could be considered an electronic 'vaccum advance'. <br /><br />Aldo
 

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Re: Pertronix Ignitor vs Ignitor II

Variable dwell is the systems ability to change the apparent dwell angle. With the old points systems the dwell was fixed, by the points gap. For a V8 usually around 30 degrees. That meant the points were closed for 30 degrees of the 90 degress between firing. That gave the coil only that time to charge for the next spark. The wonderful age of electronics have giving us the ability to vary the 'dwell angle' as the revs change, thus giving the coil longer to charge at higher revs, hence a stronger spark. <br /><br />John, you really should move with the times man. :D <br /><br />Chris..........<br /><br />Edit: Aldo, you were typing at the same time as me. Sorry. Also what you are talking about is an electronic advance curve, not variable dwell.
 

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Re: Pertronix Ignitor vs Ignitor II

Explain the difference please.<br /><br />The only reference that the ignitor module has is the coil, it uses that to determine dwell.<br />Changing the dwell changes the spark timing, what's the difference between that and an electronic advance curve?<br /><br />Aldo
 

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Originally posted by achris:<br /> John, you really should move with the times man. :D
Whatchu mean? I am avant garde. Got one of those Pertronix II's in my distributor, sitting on the filing cabinet. Problem is, I don't have a motor to put it in. :p
 

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Changing the dwell changes the spark timing, what's the difference between that and an electronic advance curve?
Not necessarily. The module on the Thunderbolt IV advances the timing anything up to 24 degrees (for the V8, 14 for the V6). and that's not done by changing the charge time on the coil. It's done by 'seeing' the crank position (from the reluctor in the distributor) and determining the RPM (by measuring the time between the pulses from the reluctor) and firing the coil at the appropiate time, determined by the programming of the module. It actually creates a delay (of spark firing) at speeds lower than when maximum advance occurs (usually 3000RPM). <br /><br />Some figures...<br /><br />dwell angle of points on V8. 30 degrees. this means that the points are closed for 1/3 of the time between firings of the coil. At WOT of, say 4500 RPM that would be 1.11 milliseconds (1 millisecond is 1/1000 of a second) charging time for the coil for each spark. BUT 2.22 mS would be lost while the points were open. This is done to enable the points to open quickly enough to achieve a (relatively) clean break between open and closed, thus reducing the burning of the points and to create a fast enough transition to produce a good quality spark. If you were running electronic ignition with variable dwell, it could change that charging time to, say 3 mS (total time between firings at this engine speed is 3.33 mS) and, because electronics can switch between on and off so fast, it would improve spark quality and reliabilty. The actual timing of the spark would still be determined by the advance curve, programmed into the module. It has to be done this way because the engine's timing curve is not always linear against engine RPM, whereas dwell changes are.<br /><br />Chris.............
 

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Re: Pertronix Ignitor vs Ignitor II

I don't understand all that but it looks like I will go the extra $30 for the II. Thanks.
 

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Re: Pertronix Ignitor vs Ignitor II

I have the II on my Mercruiser 302 and love it. Faster easier starts immediately. I also threw on a 40k volt Pertronix Flamethrower coil and some Magstar marine 7-8mm wires. Big improvement over the 25 year old coil and wires :) Well worth the $$$
 

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Re: Pertronix Ignitor vs Ignitor II

Chris,<br />Great post. You know your stuff!<br /><br />Dave
 
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