Pits in Cylinder Wall

KCLOST

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Last night while installing the new head gaskets on my Merc. 175, I noticed about 4 very small pits on the bottom side of the #5 cylinder wall. This is the same cylinder that was getting water into it that caused me to replace the gaskets.<br /><br />Anyway, 3 of them are barely noticeable, but one is about 1/16" in diameter and probably the same or less in depth. It's about a 1/2" exposed when the piston is at it's down stroke position. The other small pits are farther up (or nearer to the top of the cylinder head). <br /><br />Is this a major problem? The rest of the wall(s) look very clean and smooth...
 

Kenny Bush

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Re: Pits in Cylinder Wall

This is a problem. It will run allright at first, but after 50 to 100 hours the cylinder will drop out, if not sooner. Bore or resleeve.
 

KCLOST

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Re: Pits in Cylinder Wall

What do you mean by drop out? These pits are so small I can't be loosing compression.<br /><br />Are you saying they will grow/enlarge through the cylinder wall?
 

Kenny Bush

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Re: Pits in Cylinder Wall

Yes sir...... It will not be immediate. Carbon will fill the hole in.... then more carbon..... then piston scoring begins. Check the pits with acid to see if the deep one in eat through to the aluminum block. Water was most likely the culprit for the pits. I know it is hard to believe those little pits can be such a big problem.... but at 5000 RPM's, that piston is moving over the pits 300,000 times per hour.........Hmmmmm.... do you feel good with running it?
 

KCLOST

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Re: Pits in Cylinder Wall

Well, considering this is an 86' motor, I'm probably going to take my chances...<br /><br />Called my Merc. Dealer and they suggest I do the same thing as the labor/time/cost of making that repair will be quite extreme.. At least for a re-sleave job.<br /><br />Thanks for your advice Bushcat, even though that's not what I wanted to hear.
 

Dhadley

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Re: Pits in Cylinder Wall

That should be a chrome bore block. The pits or holes in the chrome could be where the water is coming from.
 

KCLOST

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Re: Pits in Cylinder Wall

If so, are you saying that I replaced a head gasket for nothing? What could eat a hole in the chrome to cause water to get into the cylinder?<br /> :confused: <br /><br />I guess I should give a little background on the gasket. When I removed the head, it really did appear to be a bad gasket. A pretty obvious leak and burn through the fire ring on the #5 cylinder. But I guess I should have looked closer and really inspected the cylinder wall. I didn't notice the small pits until I was ready to install the new gasket. Based on the size of the pits I really don't think they are near deep enough to go through the cylinder wall. They are extremely small except for the 1/16 inch pit.<br /><br />No scoring of cylinder is seen. <br />I know what Bushcat has to say, but is the cost of a rebuild really worth it considering the age of the motor? I called my dealer and he says that it may run forever, it may not. If it were his motor he wouldn't spend the money at it's age.
 

Dhadley

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Re: Pits in Cylinder Wall

The gasket was indeed in need of replacement. Did you check the head and deck to make sure they are still straight? Lets hope the cylinder isnt leaking internaly. Its just something to be aware of. Most likely thats what your dealer was thinking when he mentioned resleeving.
 

Clams Canino

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Re: Pits in Cylinder Wall

The good news is - if you take your chances and it fails down the road, you're not much worse off for trying.<br /><br />-W
 

KCLOST

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Re: Pits in Cylinder Wall

Yea, I checked the heads, they are straight and in great shape. <br />Finished assembly on the heads last night. I'm going to start it up today...<br />I'll just do my best to take care of it. And keep my fingers crossed... :)
 

rickdb1boat

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Re: Pits in Cylinder Wall

I believe that if it were mine and I had this situation, I would first repair it, but if you are going to run it, I would decarb that cylinder often to cut down on the carbon that's gonna get in the grooves and cause even more problems. Just my opinion and maybe I'm wrong, but that's what I would do...
 
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