portable tanks and anti siphon valves

MH Hawker

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I have recently been doing some work on my portable tanks and I don't think they have the anti siphon valve. It that common to all of them. The reason I am asking is I added a clear inline filter to catch any partials that may be in the tanks from the mods I have done and noticed that after it has been ran and the sight filter has filled up with fuel, after it sits about 10 minutes the sight filter is drained of fuel. It dosnt seam to effect the motor from starting of running but I would think that once the bulb is pumped up and the motor has been ran it would stay full of fuel.
 

UncleWillie

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Re: portable tanks and anti siphon valves

If the geometry will allow it to run back into the tank, it probably will.
Small air leak possible?
 

MH Hawker

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Re: portable tanks and anti siphon valves

I am thinking some sort of a air leak. The motor is a bit lower than the tank and is carbed. It would have to be getting air back into the system some way. Next time I am out I am going to run it a bit and disconnect it at the motor and see what that dose.

Edit: forgot to add its a brand new carb I installed that this spring so I would think the float and needle are in good shape.
 

Chris1956

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Re: portable tanks and anti siphon valves

Gee, Go to a retail store and check out the portable tanks. I have not seen an A-S valve on them, but I have not bought one for a long time....
 

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Re: portable tanks and anti siphon valves

That is perfectly normal action and has nothing to do with an air leak or bad carb. You can prove this with a simple test. Fill clear tube, any size, with water put your finger over the end. Insert the other end of the tube into a pan, tub, or glass of water. Hold the end with your finger over it in the air. Air will make its way eventually into the tube and a "burp" will occur letting some fluid out. Wait a bit more and another "burp" will occur. That process repeats until the tube is empty. How quickly the tube empties depends on how big the burps are. The level of the tank in relation to the engine is only part of the issue. The fuel pickup is at the bottom of the tank so where it is in relation to other end of the fuel line is more important. In most cases the bottom of the fuel pickup is well below the level of the fuel line so gravity takes over -- burping the fuel out of the line. One thing folks tend to forget about is that even though you pressurize the fuel system with the primer bulb, the moment the engine starts fuel is drawn through the system so the system is no longer pressurized. Another misconception is that an anti-siphon valve prevents fuel from draining back to the tank. That is not it's purpose. It is inserted at outlet of built-in tanks to prevent fuel from siphoning OUT of the tank if there is rupture or leak in the fuel line. In most cases the fuel line from the tank drops below the fuel level on its way to the engine which is also mounted low in the boat. A leak anywhere between the tank and fuel pump will siphon fuel into the bilge. That is obviously not a good thing. Anti-siphon valves are not normally used on portable tanks because everything is exposed. That doesn't mean it's not a good idea to use one. It simply means that it has been deemed unnecessary for outboards using portable tanks. .
 

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Re: portable tanks and anti siphon valves

also on many portable tanks, and some installed tanks, you use a fuel line that has a fitting at one or both ends, which has an anti-syphon valve in the form of the spring-loaded ball bearing. So by disconnecting one end or the other, you can stop flow between the motor and tank.
 

MH Hawker

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Re: portable tanks and anti siphon valves

Interesting, and like i said it dosnt seam to be any sort of a problem and it runs fine, it just struck me as conscious. This is the first time I have ever had a see through filter in line.
 
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