Private sale terms

Otis357

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Im looking to buy a used boat through a private sale, and notice a number of the agreements available online state that any deposit given to the seller is 'non-refundable'.

Any private sale that I've ever done, the money was given to show you were serious, however if for any reason the terms agreed to could not be met, or financing could not be arranged that the deposit would be returned. Find it a little odd that the seller would keep the deposit if the deal fails...

Whats the group say on this.. Deposit refundable, or not?
 

badkins50

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Personally I think I would refund it myself. I know some guus that say by giving a deposit that the boat is no longer for sale and that they missed potential buyers.

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rockyrude

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Re: Private sale terms

the deposit also takes the item off the market until the sale completes. if you need financing, line that up before the sale. in this market, with all of the "tire kickers" the seller surely doesn't want it off the market any longer than needed.
 

jigngrub

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At this time of year I wouldn't worry too much about someone buying a boat out from underneath you. Go ahead and set everything up and then buy it.
 

mr 88

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Re: Private sale terms

As RRude stated..If you want it and it's big money have it surveyed beforehand.I would not refund a deposit because of all of the above reasons.
 

Brewman61

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the deposit is rather pointless if it's refundable. It holds the buyer to their agreement to purchase, holds the seller to the agreed upon sales price. Unless of course the seller backs out for some reason, then returning the deposit would be the right thing to do.
Buyer backs out? Too bad. No return.
 

JoLin

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I've bought a couple of boats with a 'contingency' clause built in that protects both parties. How it works:

Based on the visible condition of the boat and conversations with the seller, you negotiate the final price 'contingent upon' the results of a sea trial and survey. Buyer then puts down some amount of money- in my case it was 10% of the agreed price. This shows the seller that you're serious.

If the survey and/or sea trial turn up issues that weren't revealed to the buyer at the time of negotiation, the buyer and seller can renegotiate the price, or the price of repairs... or the buyer can take back his deposit and walk away from the deal.

If the sea trial and survey are successful, the buyer is obligated to complete the deal or lose his deposit.

I'd also make sure that sea trial, survey and final payment are documented in the agreement to take place within some set number of days... neither party should be able to string the other along.

Before you put anything down, demand to see registration/title and confirm that everything's kosher. Any lien on the boat? Just make sure you know what you're dealing with before any money changes hands.

My .02
 

DuckHunterJon

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Re: Private sale terms

Different opinions all around on this one. My take - I don't accept a deposit to hold it to avoid this question. Most of the larger things I've sold, when the buyer asked me if I would hold it with a deposit, I kindly said no - many of these immediately went to the bank and came back to buy it on the spot. I just figure it's better for everyone.
 

Otis357

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Re: Private sale terms

Yeah, lots of differing opinions on this one...

My understanding is the same as JoLin on this issue... You take the seller at his word that everything is as specified, and put down a deposit. If the sea trial and inspection prove that everything is as the seller claims, then buyer is expected to follow through and complete the sale as agreed. If the buyer simply changes their mind... then they give up the deposit. If the sea trial or inspection identify a problem that cant be negotiated out in the price... then the deposit is returned.
 

Andy'sDelight

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Re: Private sale terms

Yeah, lots of differing opinions on this one...

My understanding is the same as JoLin on this issue... You take the seller at his word that everything is as specified, and put down a deposit. If the sea trial and inspection prove that everything is as the seller claims, then buyer is expected to follow through and complete the sale as agreed. If the buyer simply changes their mind... then they give up the deposit. If the sea trial or inspection identify a problem that cant be negotiated out in the price... then the deposit is returned.

This is the answer. You give a deposit as a good faith intent to buy the boat if it is in the condition the seller states it to be in. The survey/sea trial are done after the deposit to confirm and if the boat is as stated, you are compelled to buy it or lose the deposit.
 

roscoe

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Re: Private sale terms

A good faith deposit, or earnest money, means nothing if you can just ask for it back.

If I have advertising expenses, and schedule the sale around my vacation schedule, or early in the season when the market is strong; I would be losing money, market strength, convenience, and salability if I pull it off the market, and then the sale falls through.

Even selling a boat on ebay is gonna cost you $100.
If I pull my boat off the market to hold it for you, and you back out of the deal, I have lost money.
 

smokeonthewater

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Re: Private sale terms

I ALWAYS specify that a deposit is NOT refundable..... If you think you might back out Id rather sell it to the next guy who brings cash with him.
I HAVE given the deposit back before bit I am not required to.

Two hours later.... Hey bud I'm really sorry but I messed up, would you please..... I'll probably give part or all back.

The next day..... My wife said........ Oh hell no, You should have had the authority before you bothered me
 

oops!

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Re: Private sale terms

we are starting to get on track AFTER JOILINS POST.

it is correct.

deposit BEFORE THE SEA TRYAL....(no joy riders) either the boat works as stated or not. if it doesnt....only then the money is refunded or re negotiated.

if the boat works.......pay the man and take your new boat
 

LippCJ7

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Pretty simple deal for me, I don't accept deposits, first to come with the cash takes it, in the case of a boat I have no problem with a sea trial or a survey, just bring cash, other wise it stays on the market. no exceptions.
 

Shawnee

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Re: Private sale terms

"demand to see registration/title and confirm that everything's kosher. Any lien on the boat? "

This thread resulted in information similar to mine re registration in the USA. As jolin said above, how do I check to see if there is a lien on the boat I am looking at?
 

BF

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Re: Private sale terms

No matter what you think the agreement is, or what is said to each other... When selling, I always write out a receipt for the deposit that explicitly states the conditions agreed to.... I sign it, have the purchaser sign it, give the purchaser the original and keep a copy for myself. In there I say the serial number / VIN, what the agreed selling price is, how much was deposited "leaving a balance of....", how that will be paid, when it will be paid and the date by which the remainder must be paid and the item moved, and that the purchaser will forfeit their deposit it these conditions are not met. I think by having something in writing, it greatly decreases the likelihood that the purchaser will change their mind and expect you to understand and refund.

By the way, write it out as a "Receipt for Deposit"... NOT a bill of sale. They get bill of sale and title etc. only when it's paid in full. One thing to bear in mind though, is don't make a purchase agreement with a minor... they can't be held accountable and you'd be obliged to refund... This happened to my Dad once.. he took a deposit from 16 y.o. kid on a car.... Kid changes his mind, parents say give him his deposit back... My Dad says no way (had turned away other buyers), but they threaten to push the issue with their lawyer, my dad calls his, and in 30 seconds lawyer says, just give the money back, a judge would strike down the contract with the minor. So, if a minor is involved, tell them to bring their parent/guardian and sell to them instead.

Having a deposit that is refundable serves no purpose. Exception is if a water trial, mechanics inspection etc is failed, but that should be stipulated in the receipt of deposit, (along with who is intending to pay for the inspection). I have heard of buyers asking if the seller is willing to have a mechanic check it out, but then assuming that the seller is willing to pay for the inspection!? I have driven vehicles I'm selling to be inspected by a prospective purchaser's mechanic, but I would never give them the keys to take the vehicle/boat whatever on their own.
 

Home Cookin'

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Re: Private sale terms

There are two parts to this discussion.
One is, you and the other party can agree to whatever you want, and there are reasons for and against the various deposit arrangements. Just be sure once you two agree, you are clear on the terms, and better to be written down.

The second is, pulling "legal documents" off the internet and using them is like pulling instructions for knee surgery off the internet and doing it yourself. Lawyers make a lot more money off the deals that are botched by the parties trying to avoid legal costs up front, than by helping them do it right the first time.

Not to say you need a lawyer to sell a jon boat. It's all a cost/risk assessment. And not to say a lot of people who are used to sales contracts can't do it right. Just saying, know what you are doing and don't assume the internet form will work. And if you do get into a dispute, remember that for most small transactions, you're better off avoiding a fight than winning one.
 
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