Problems getting up on plane

rivahlassie

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We have a 1993 17' ProLine center console with a 1993 90 Force Merc. outboard. Boat and motor have performed well until last year when it started taking time to get up on plane with 4 or more people in it. This year we have the same problem with only one or two people. Mechanic has checked the fuel, timing, compression and RPMs (which are running around 4000 and should be 5000). He is now talking about replacing the prop with a smaller one. Also, while approaching the pier, the motor made a sound like it was dropping into gear when it had been in neutral for a little while. Any feedback on what may be causing these problems would be greatly appreciated. rivahlassie@yahoo.com
 

blifsey

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Re: Problems getting up on plane

Is possible the boat has gained weight? Water gotten into places it shouldn't like the foam? Just a WAG.<br /><br />BL...
 

Hooty

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Re: Problems getting up on plane

Just a thought Lassie, but ya might pop the prop off and see if you have wound something up between the prop and the lower unit housing. Its happened before.<br /><br />c/6<br /><br />Hooty
 

JB

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Re: Problems getting up on plane

Hi, Lassie.<br /><br />Do you keep the boat in the water? Could your bottom (no, no, the Boat's bottom) be growing a beard of foliage? A mossy hull is really slow.<br /><br />Don't change the prop. Find out what slowed your boat down and fix that.<br /><br />Good luck. :)
 

Zac

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Re: Problems getting up on plane

The best thing that will help you get up on plane is a hydrofoil stabilizer. I bought one for my boat and it got up on plane twice as fast, made it more stable, keeps the nose down, and increased gas mileage. You can buy one at your boat store for about $40. The brand that I have is sting ray.<br /><br />Zac
 

gto

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Re: Problems getting up on plane

I agree with JB . My old 1987 17' glass stream with 115hp had same problem plaining off. I had a new clear coat put on it so it would look good to sell. Well to my suprise that slick new paint on the bottom fixed all of what I thought was a wore out motor.It don't have to be nasty on the bottom not to be able to plain off. A couple of years with out a good wax is just as bad.
 

rivahlassie

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Re: Problems getting up on plane

Thank you ALL so much for your prompt replies. Being typical female, just typed what hubby told me, always doing what he says (Yeah, RIGHt!) Guess I should have told you - Boat sits up on trailer, covered, throughout winter, bottom painted late spring with a non-fouling bottom paint to keep barnacles off then taken to boat ramp to put in water for summer/fall. Planing problem begins then and continues through season. Boat is operated in salt water (Rappahannock River and Chesapeake Bay, Virginia). Since boat covered unknown how water could get in, out of water so no mossy bottom (mine OR boat's), can't wax bottom because of the bottom paint and as for prop being fouled, we'll find out once it's pulled. Also, didn't like the idea of changing prop, myself. Didn't make sense to me since it's the original prop and had worked fine up until last year - but what do I know, I'm just a female. Anyhow, thank you so much for your input.<br /><br />P.S. - What about the sound, like dropping into gear, while in neutral?<br /><br />Rivahlassie :eek: <br /><br />rivahlassie@yahoo.com
 

frroog

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Re: Problems getting up on plane

Just a thought have you checked the lower unit fluid? And PLEASE tell your female friends to come on by and learn so they can fix what the huby screws up :D :D
 

suzukidave

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Re: Problems getting up on plane

If the prop used to work then I would try everything else before a new prop unless I've dinged the old one. If the mechanic did a compression test I assume that it is fine or he would have told you. It makes no sense to just switch props.<br /><br />There is a bunch of stuff you can do yourself. For some of them you need to get her back on land.<br /><br />Everything others have said is worth checking out.<br /><br />Definitely pull your prop to inspect it and change your lower unit oil. If your old lower unit oil is milky that signifies water and there may be a problem in there. If it has metal shavings in the oil then you can guess that's bad. A change in sound when shifting gear might mean something, but it might just means your motor is getting older but still runs fine thank you very much. My knees make a new sound these days when I sit down too.<br /><br />How thick is the bottom paint? Do you fully sand it down before repainting? An uneven build up of bottom paint can be bad. Little bumps and ridges here and there can cause surprising drag on a planing hull.<br /><br />I assume the motor used to run at higher rpm, but did it run at the recommended rpm range? If it was underrevving before you may be "Coked up" which is the opposite thing for a motor as for a human. You get a build up of carbon inside the engine if you don't run at full revs. This costs you power and rpm and then it gets more coked and it becomes a vicious cycle. Force outboards seem to have a talent for this problem, so maybe what you need to do is decarbonize. Try Sea-foam or other product available at a marina that you put in your gas. <br /><br />Try pumping the fuel line bulb when running at w-o-t to see if that increases your revs, which would indicate a fuel starvation problem.<br /><br />Still nothing? You need to find out if there is water under your decks in the foam. If the boat is moored half a year it could get in from rain, a tiny hull leak, or a through hull fitting (check the seal around your drain plug). If there are any deck hatches that access the foam check it out. If not, one good trick short of cutting a hole is to strip everything out of the boat buy the motor and take it to a truck way scale station. Weigh it then launch it and weigh your empty trailer. Then subtract your trailer weight and motor weight (ask a dealer) and see if the result is anywhere near what your boat is supposed to weigh according to the maker. A small amount of water in the foam will add up to hundreds of pounds.
 

rivahlassie

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Re: Problems getting up on plane

Thank you all again for your wonderful advice!! Wish there were other sites like this for my female friends to get help to "unscrew up" their hubbys but, as you must know, we have our own ways!!<br /><br />You had a few good suggestions, Suzukidave, that really made sense to this 'dumb broad'. Particularly liked the one about sanding the bottom paint. Barnacles have always been scraped off but think the old paint hasn't been sanded off. Also the one about the boat weight but that one's gonna be a pain (so what else is new with respect to boats!).<br /><br />Once again, THANK YOU SO MUCH!<br /> :p rivahlassie<br />rivahlassie@yahoo.com
 

Down South

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Re: Problems getting up on plane

Have you added any extra weight to the boat? (new equipment, ect) If I understand correctly the motor used to turn up to 5000 rpm and now only will go up to 4000 rpm. The water in the hull is a strong possibility and can be a pain to dry back out. If there are no cracks in the hull and your cover keeps your boat completly dry then I'd start looking at the motor again.
 

oldboat1

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Re: Problems getting up on plane

Smooth bottoms perform better than mossy ones, but shape is also an issue. If the boat was stored incorrectly, it's possible she has a hook at her stern -- should be able to put a straight edge along the bottom of the hull running up from the transom, and not see a gap. <br /><br />Newer hulls like yours are less likely to have the problem, but it's easy to check out.
 

clanton

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Re: Problems getting up on plane

If the gear noisy sounds like a ratchet, when in neutral the cable is out of adjustment. Borrow test prop from mechanic, engine should pull rated rpm with test prop, if it dosent something wrong with engine, decarb engine, check stator output.
 
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DJ

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Lassie,<br /><br />You said you JUST painted the bottom-new this year. Is that something that you replaced or just added?<br /><br />Anti foul paints-the satin or dull type, can detract from performance.<br /><br />If the paint is NEW to the boat, it could be a factor. If the paint is a replacement job, it may be of the dull type. That flat finish over the entire expanse of the hull can create a HUGE amount of drag.
 
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