prop change, wild ride

CalicoKid

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I've been running my Baja SS164 with 110hp Johnson for a long time with a 13x19 ss OMC prop, 3 blade. I've always had good performance but wanted more. This winter I changed out all of my instruments and rewired the entire boat so that I could have a water pressure gauge (projects get a little out of hand around here). I did all of this in hopes of adding a jack-plate and trying out some props this summer to get my speed up. I figured I'd better not try jacking the motor without a pressure gauge, anyway..<br /><br />I was typically getting 47-48 mph(gps) with 3 people and a tank of gas. Trimming up would get my rpms and speed up to a point but then the rpms would continue to climb and speed would drop. I could usully turn around 5500-5800 rpms depending on the surface of the water but I always felt the hull was a little too "wetted". This prop slipped a lot in the turns too.<br /><br />I havn't put on a jackplate yet and my motor is still way too low, the cav plate is an inch or so below the bottom of my hull. But I did have the chance to borrow an OMC Raker 13x22 prop this weekend. I did notice that my holeshot was just marginally worse but that I could take off at a higher trim angle without slippage. My boat seemed more responsive than before despite the increase in pitch which is probably due to the amount of slippage the old prop allowed. The really big difference came at top end. When hammered (the boat, not me) we were able to get up to 45mph at 5000 rpms quickly, about the same as before, and then I started trimming out. The bow lifted some, I felt the hull break loose and we began to accelerate. I trimmed to the point where the old prop would slip badly but the Raker held on. My speedo went up to 50mph as I trimmed up and then dropped quickly to 45 mph as I continued to trim out. I checked the gps and we here going 50.5 mph at around 5500rpm. The boat felt like it had only the prop in the water and nothing else, I continued to trim out, I've never been able to do this, and the rpms climbed some more and the hull seemed to be in flight. I couldn't believe it, I couldn't get this prop to slip. I didn't have a chance to look at the gps again as we hit a wake that threw the boat into the air in a way that reminded me of those spectacular hydroplane crashes where they bounce from sponson to sponson before flipping over backwards a couple of dozen times. When I get up the nerve I'm going to go test this setup out some more to see where I'm getting the optimum speed and rpms to determine whether or not this is an ideal prop.<br /><br />Questions: My speedo worked fine before the prop change, is it possible I'm lifting the pitot right out of the water? It's mounted about 16" to the right of center of my transom on this very shallow vee hull (like a bassboat).<br /><br />Does my speed and rpm range sound ok? It seems to me it's hard to use the wot rpms as a guide with this type of boat because there is no way you could run around at 50 mph plus all the time on a river with plenty of traffic, obstacles, etc.<br /><br />Would a jackplate improve the STABILITY of my boat? I'm sure It would go faster yet with the motor higher and farther back but (I'm a little spooked right now) how are handling and ride generally affected?<br /><br />Those guys who run 80-100 mph in Bullets and Allisons are absolutely nuts! :eek:
 

cobra 3.0

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Re: prop change, wild ride

Use a GPS for the most accurate speed reading.
 

mrtool2u

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Re: prop change, wild ride

Hey CalicoKid,,,will you please post your results when you get them.I have a 120 Johnny on a 19 foot Aluminum boat,and I would kill for a few more mph's.I have tried,Ballistic,,,Stiletto,,,OMC aluminum props,,and a unknown stainless,,but I have yet to try a Raker.There was very little difference in any of the props,,the Stiletto was just a tad faster,,but not what I expected.I would like to find a Raker to try,,,but our local OMC dealer is a real ****,,,so I know he would be no help.If I could get a few more mph's,,I could outrun my brother,,which would be great..........
 

walleyehed

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Re: prop change, wild ride

That brings back fond memories of my favorite Raker....I know there are a few props out there that will bite like a Raker, and in particular, the older Rakers, but to obtain the same, or likely better performance than the Raker, such as a Mazco, PT etc, it's at the very least a 500 dollar bill.<br />Calico, what you are explaining sounds as if you are finding the potential of a properly rigged boat...there may be some set-back issues that may help more, along with added engine heigth, just be careful of those wakes!! Any set-up can be dangerous when conditions change quickly like that.
 

CalicoKid

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Re: prop change, wild ride

I'm taking the boat out camping this weekend and will have a chance to try it out some more. I'll be way up the river where there is less traffic so that'll help. I have been checking my speed with GPS, I just noticed the speedo getting flaky and was wondering why. Do my RPMs sound ok even though I can't get them up there without going very nearly into flight? That is, is it OK for me to be running around turning less RPMs for a lot of the time since I can't be driving flat out at over 50mph all the time?<br /><br />MrTool, I'm hoping to be faster than my brother as well. I've been avoiding him since he got his new bassboat, I used to be able to beat him... I almost had my wife talked into the jackplate until she got thrown across the boat last weekend. It was just too rough out for a 16 footer to be going that fast. I'll be able to give better findings after this weekend.<br /><br />Have a safe and fun holiday all!
 

mrtool2u

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Re: prop change, wild ride

Hey Calico kid,,I know my speedo goes a little fruity when I turn hard to port,,just the pickup tube coming out of water.I think most guys will tell you to decarb more if you run lower rpm's a lot of the time.Would that guy who owns the Raker be interested in renting it out for a few days.Our local OMC dealer is a putz,,and he will not work with anyone when it comes to prop's.What is your brother running for a boat/motor.
 

Chris1956

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Re: prop change, wild ride

CalicoKid, You should move the speedo pickup closer to the center of the transom. It will keep it in the water during those high speed runs. I have a Mercury OB and am in search of a high performance prop. Do you know if there is a Raker equivalent for my Merc? Also, does the Raker lift the bow more than a standard prop?
 

CalicoKid

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Re: prop change, wild ride

In my brief experience the Raker provided a lot more lift than my other OMC brand stainless prop, which was a more generic type. I'm going to test it out better this weekend. I'm sure Mercury has a comparable prop out there, I believe they are one of the best prop developers out there, I'm just not familiar with their line.<br /><br />I think beating my brother is probably not going to happen, he has a 19' Nitro with a Merc 150 and he's pretty fearless to top that. I think he's able to do 65mph and that longer boat is much more stable in rough conditions. (Oh and the guy who owns that Raker is me now and I'm not going to be taking it off my boat anytime soon, sorry!)<br /><br />I hate to drill another set of holes in my transom, are there longer speedo pickups available?
 

rickdb1boat

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Re: prop change, wild ride

CalicoKid <br /><br />You may be able to make a small bracket and 5200 it on there, that will lower your tube enough to read. But if you have GPS, what's the point. Just a thought...
 

Dhadley

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Re: prop change, wild ride

You really dont want the speedo pick up near the motor. Its possible to mess up the clean water getting to the prop now. <br /><br />The GPS is more accurate anyway.<br /><br />BTW -- why were you testing a new set up with passangers in the boat? Not too cool dude. I'll bet you didnt have any safty gear -- including a kill switch -- on you or her.<br /><br />See how fast stuff happens?
 

CalicoKid

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I did take the boat out again this Friday for a little camping and had a chance to get a better feeling for what the Raker prop does for my performance. First off, I didn't bother trying for top end again, it's a busy weekend here and I had a lot of stuff in the boat and I wanted to get some more confidence before taking flight again. Maybe some morning during the week I'll be able to give it a shot. Anyway as we cruised across the lake and up the river I noticed I could control the speed and trim of the boat by trimming my motor up and down a lot better than I ever could before. In fact I found that by leaving the throttle about two thirds open and using my trim control only I could make speed adjustments of about 10 mph and very quickly push the bow down to slow down and cut wake when I needed to without backing down on the throttle. It's as though there is a whole new dimension to this boat's handling now that was not possible with the old SS prop and its slippage issues. I'm sold on the Raker, but I see OMC has a four blade version called Renegade, I'd like to know how that works. As far as the weekend turned out, we sucked up a bunch of sand when I hit a sandbar that wasn't there five days ago and clogged the indicator tubing (again!) but had plenty of water coming from the relief holes that was only warm so we cautiously proceded to explore and enjoyed the rest of the day lazing around on the beaches and drifting with the breezes on a quiet bay closer to home. Last night was an awesome fireworks show.<br /><br />Today a picked up a new water pump kit, last year I replaced the impeller only and noticed the pump housing was showing signs of wear, from all the sand I presume, and after yesterday decided I'd better clean everything out and replace the whole thing.<br /><br />Thanks all for the speedo ideas, I guess I'll leave it located away from the motor but would like to have it a little longer if possible. And Dhadley, when I rewired the boat I installed a kill tether which the boat previously didn't have. But not two, there is only one pilot so why two tethers? And I had the boat out alone several times this spring for testing after reworking it and had only changed the prop the last time when my wife and sister (not the same person) were along, I didn't expect a simple prop replacement to make such a big difference really, which I suppose proves your point. So thanks for the concern really, I'll be tapping you later for help with jackplate setups etc. By the way, in early winter I think you told me that John Tiger(??) and his daughter built an OMC V4 and Baja combo that really performed, did that ever get written up? Was it a SunSport? I've been looking for an article about it but haven't seen it.
 
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