Propeller Rubber Bushing "Spinning" ... Self Repair Question

bobgritz

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As a commercial clammer, we spend a lot of time out at low tide and it is not uncommon to ground-out in the sand flats. As the tides withdraws, we need to stay in channels but inevitably we find the edges of the channel ... there's no way around this ... it's a fact of the trade.

I'm in the process of repairing some electrical issues on my workhorse and everyday motor (15hp Johnson) so I tossed on my backup engine (an old 1968 Johnson Sportwin 9.5hp). The very first time I grounded out, the rubber bushing 'spun' within the prop cavity and I limped around the flats until I got back to the landing. At first I thought I broke the shear pin but it was fine and I realized that the rubber hub was no longer tightly fixed within the housing.

Obviously I could go and buy a new prop or have a new bushing pressed into the prop but I have grounded my primary motor (the Johnson 15) at least 300 times and it shows no signs of 'spinning out' (I suspect it is simply a superior design). I have access to a machine shop and could press a new rubber bushing into the prop but I cannot find a supplier (other than one in Australia ... seems a bit far). Does anyone know of a supplier (of reasonably priced bushings)? A new prop costs about 100 bucks so a bushing replacement needs to be considerably less. I am a cheap s o b and wondered about a diy repair to my 'spun' prop ... here's my thinking:

Obviously the rubber has dislodged, or perhaps dried out and shrunk over the years, and no longer is a tight fit. I assume it functions based on a friction fit (i.e. oversized rubber bushing within an undersized metal housing). Mastics or glues don't seem to make a lot of sense (once their bond breaks the residue is ground up within the housing like a pepper mill). But, what about pulling a thin rubber membrane over the bushing then pressing it into the metal housing. In essence, you'd be restoring the size of the original bushing and if it doesn't get ground up, perhaps it will spin (as originally designed) until slower rpms allow the two components to become in sync again.

My first thought for a possible replacement part can be found in drugstores (ahem) but then I wondered if I could simply cut a finger section off of a medical glove (or other type of thin, unlubricated, rubber utility glove found in any hardware store). Has anyone ever tried anything like this or had any luck repairing an old bushing? I'm really looking for thoughts about a diy repair rather than the 'buy a new prop repair'. It may come to that ... but not yet.
 

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Re: Propeller Rubber Bushing "Spinning" ... Self Repair Question

some hubs are pressed, others are molded.

I myself leave the prop work to the guys that do that for a living vs trying to rig something to work.
 

bobgritz

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Re: Propeller Rubber Bushing "Spinning" ... Self Repair Question

... where's the fun in that !
 

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You can try HMS hubs. Replacement hubs run somewhere between 20-40 dollars. OR, you can "pin" the prop. --in essence, you are defeating the rubber and making the prop solid.

First photo shows using an old tapered roller bearing outer race as a tool to press in the hub. lubricate with a little soapy water. Last photo shows the three 1/4 X 20 set screws used to pin a 10 inch prop.
 

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Re: Propeller Rubber Bushing "Spinning" ... Self Repair Question

Frank ... what a great suggestion! I'll try HMS (second) but in the meantime I'll give your "pin" remedy a whirl. I would add that you are possibly only 'semi'-defeating the rubber damper since it still has the ability to spin under severe conditions (depending on penetration of the set screws). In the worst case, you could "pin" the bushing and toss the prop in your safety bin and keep the prop as a backup. Thanks again ... nice DIY recommendation.
 

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Re: Propeller Rubber Bushing "Spinning" ... Self Repair Question

I'm late to the party but wanted to add another comment. Motors equipped with slip clutch hub props use "SS drive pins" not "shear pins". If you do pin the hub, you should substitute a brass pin for the SS pin when you use that prop in order to protect the spendy parts since grounding is not uncommon. Good luck!
 

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Re: Propeller Rubber Bushing "Spinning" ... Self Repair Question

Willy ... better late than never! I always wondered about that quasi-shear pin arrangement ... it didn't appear to make sense and now I see that it is not a shear pin at all (in the traditional sense). Substituting a brass (or other soft metal) pin is an excellent idea for my mickey mouse repair. Since we clammers are always near flats and sand bars we're able to hop out of the boat, stand on stable land, and make a quick swap of either a shear pin or the whole prop (usually in less than 5 minutes). Thank you for coming to the party with another great idea!
 

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Just what I had in mind. You are talking about a 10hp engine on an alum prop. You don't have that much engine torque to tear much up and the alum will take the hit. Only thing you will notice is that shifting will have a "thump". Just change your gear lube annually to take care of any (always) metal shavings.

I'd drill a hole straight through the hub and put a bolt and locking nut on it in a heart beat.

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Re: Propeller Rubber Bushing "Spinning" ... Self Repair Question

some hubs are pressed, others are molded.

I myself leave the prop work to the guys that do that for a living vs trying to rig something to work.

hey guys.. side note i have just got a new boat and was looking around for stuff and found you.. please dont drill holes in props.. its not that expensive or hard to get your prop fixed right .. there are many things that you should not doo to props . one of them is to putt holes of any kind in them.. i just singed into this to tell you this.. if you need real prop info ask me im singed into this thing and have found it very good and i will also give any info i have in return.. thank you..
 

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Re: Propeller Rubber Bushing "Spinning" ... Self Repair Question

... where's the fun in that !

Probably stuck on a sand flat somewhere ... :eek:
 

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Re: Propeller Rubber Bushing "Spinning" ... Self Repair Question

Willy ... better late than never! I always wondered about that quasi-shear pin arrangement ... it didn't appear to make sense and now I see that it is not a shear pin at all (in the traditional sense). Substituting a brass (or other soft metal) pin is an excellent idea for my mickey mouse repair. Since we clammers are always near flats and sand bars we're able to hop out of the boat, stand on stable land, and make a quick swap of either a shear pin or the whole prop (usually in less than 5 minutes). Thank you for coming to the party with another great idea!

On the shear pin material, back when I HAD to use them they were made of brass, at least in the lower hp engines. My daddy bought a new 10 hp Scott Atwater in '55 or so and on the motor bracket was a rubber fixture that had 2 SS cotter pins and 2 brass "shear pins" conveniently available for use WHEN, not if, needed. I never saw, nor was able to buy anything but brass. Maybe the OMC "Fat 50" had SS but the little guys didn't.

Mark
 

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Re: Propeller Rubber Bushing "Spinning" ... Self Repair Question

Thanks for all (most) of the diy repair suggestions! Mission complete!!

I equally spaced (to maintain prop balance) and drilled 3 pilot holes. I kept the 'spun' rubber hub in the prop before drilling the pilot holes and drilled the pilot bit into the rubber but stopped short of the brass sleeve. This would allow the larger set screws to seat firmly within the rubber hub. I enlarged the prop holes using a #7 bit then threaded these with a 1/4 X 20 tap. I inserted three 1/2" set screws (grrrr, had to buy 'em ... 42 cents each) and the top of the set screws sat perfectly flush with the outer housing of the prop. I cut a 1-3/8" 'shear pin' from an old 3/16" brass rod and replaced the stainless steel drive pin with the brass pin.

The entire job (including my expensive trip to the hardware store) took about 1.5 hours and I was back in business. I just got in from a frigid morning dig (18 degrees/wind gusts of 40 mph) and the prop worked like a charm. No slippage and zero vibration. There is nothing more rewarding than working with your own hands, seeing a job through to completion and, best of all, 'beating the system'. You'ze guys and your experiences and suggestions made it possible ... information via the internet is priceless.

To those concerned souls with cautionary woes. Of course 'drilling holes through props' and 'replacing drive pins' is not highly recommended but not all of us have the luxury of buying new replacement parts or relish the concept of paying $50-$100/hour labor costs. And even if we could, tinkerers are a breed of their own and some of us simply like the challenge of putting a new twist on parochial ideas. Spit & gum (and ingenuity) is part of the ham & eggers arsenal and we "cling" to our cash & credit as a last resort. "Buying new" or "having someone else do our repairs" are not valued responses to do-it-yourselfer's request for ideas on how to fix a problem! I guess some of us just ... "see things as we are, not as they are"!

:eek: ;)
 

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Re: Propeller Rubber Bushing "Spinning" ... Self Repair Question

I just got in from a frigid morning dig (18 degrees/wind gusts of 40 mph) and the prop worked like a charm.

Great news, glad it worked for you. I have to ask; are the clams better and/or more plentiful in that kind of weather?
 

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Yesssssss on your success. Gotta keep things in proper perspective. Nothing wrong with you doing what you did on a engine of that size with an alum prop. Great and I know you are proud of your accomplishment.

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Re: Propeller Rubber Bushing "Spinning" ... Self Repair Question

You may never have another problem with it, or you may come home with only the hub one day. Worse case, you bend or break something when the bushing isn't allowed to do what it's designed to do. Regardless, it's OK to feel good until then ... ;)
 

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Re: Propeller Rubber Bushing "Spinning" ... Self Repair Question

You may never have another problem with it, or you may come home with only the hub one day. Worse case, you bend or break something when the bushing isn't allowed to do what it's designed to do. Regardless, it's OK to feel good until then ... ;)

If I remember correctly as part of his repair he removed the SS "drive pin" and replaced it with a brass "shear pin". I think that will go a long way in ensuring that he will not have a destructive problem.

Mark
 
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