Question about wet sanding

ABatt2006

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After a lot of general clean up and mechanical tinkering I am finally at the point where I can really start spending some time on the gelcoat. I stripped off all the Pinstriping so I have several areas that are brilliant white and other areas that are dull and discolored, I figure that wet sanding is about the only way to bring back that brilliant white but I don't even know where to start. I figure starting with 800 and going up from there is probably a safe bet, bit considering how much surface area I am dealing with I was wondering if it would be safe to use my small palm sander, or does this have to be done by hand? Is there any common rookie mistakes I should watch out for, and is there any specific art to it?
 

rockyrude

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Re: Question about wet sanding

For starts, the gelcoat under the pinstripes will never match the rest, the sun has done its dirtywork. Now, if we ignore the fact electricity and water don't mix, the palm sander works quite well ( did it myself) just be sure to keep the water on the hull NOT the sand paper. I used a garden sprayer and routinely sprayed the hull. If the hull is real bad, you might start with 600 grit and work up. The only "art" is when you get to the buffing part, keep the buffer moving at all times, stop an you burn the gelcoat.
 

chriscraft254

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The pinstriping keeps the fiberglass gelcoat from oxidizing, thats where your seeing the difference. Unless it is a very dark color, you can usually blend the area in to the surrounding gelcoat to match the un oxidized gel coating under the pinstripes. Your plan is to start with 800, I would start with 1000. The less grit you can use to acheive what your looking for the better. Yes 600 grit is fine if you don't mind going back and wet sanding more with 800, 1000, 1200, 1500, etc.. Every time you sand you are removing gel coat, so the less you can sand the better. Some projects will require 600 but not all. Try the lesser grit first. Basically you are scatching the surface, the more aggresive the grit. the deeper the scratches and the more you will have too sand to remove those scratches with less aggressive paper..

Power equipment should not be used to wet sand imo because you can remove to much gelcoating. Especially if you have not done it before and are inexperienced! If you are going to use a power sander, use a air compressed DA sander. It will give you more control and not shock you. Again, I would do it by hand. Lot of work but worth it in the end. It really does not take long to wet sand a boat. The rougher the paper, the harder it is, each sanding gets less hard because the hull becomes smoother. Make sure you keep the paper wet at all times. If the sand paper starts to stick a little while going across the surface, it is time for more water.

Once you have wet sanded up to 1200 to 1500 grit paper, use a restore compound to bring out the finish/shine and then coat wiith wax.

Dark gelcoating will sometimes require up to 200 to 2500 grit wet paper.

Don't sand corners as hard, you can sand through the gelcoating here because it usually isn't as thick on the edges. Good luck
 

QC

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Re: Question about wet sanding

Moved to the Restoration section. Have fun, makes for a nice workout :)
 

ondarvr

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Re: Question about wet sanding

Like others have said, always start with fine paper, if you need a coarser grit, go one step at a time. As far as how fine of a grit to use...well...sometimes you can sand out 600 grit scratches easily and other times it can be difficult to sand out 1200. It depends on the brand and type of gel coat, how well it was applied, how old it is, the brand and grade of sand paper, plus other things. Also when using a DA sander you can go a to a coarser grit than you can with hand sanding and still buff out the scratches. I hate hand sanding so I always use a DA, just be careful on the corners.
 

GT1000000

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Re: Question about wet sanding

Welcome to the Iboats drydock,

Just my .02 worth, before you start doing any sanding on your finish...

Do a small test section in a somewhat inconspicuous spot with some rubbing or even finer polishing compound and a buffing machine, you might be pleasantly surprised and avoid having to refinish your gel coat...

Stay away from any edges, as was mentioned, it would be real easy to burn through the finish...

And finally, if the old pinstripe lines don't go away, you can always just replace them with new stripes...

Best Regards,
GT1M
 

Woodonglass

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Re: Question about wet sanding

There is no way you should ever use an electric sander to wet sand anything!!!!!! NO WAY, EVER!!!!!!!!:facepalm:
 

GT1000000

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There is no way you should ever use an electric sander to wet sand anything!!!!!! NO WAY, EVER!!!!!!!!:facepalm:
Not unless you are made of metal and you are standing on rubber ground...
 

garzilla

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Re: Question about wet sanding

I see no problem with using an electric DA.....as long as the cord stays out of water, and you don't completely saturate the motor...

I use a spray bottle, water, with a splash of dish soap when I wetsand...used a DeWalt brand electric DA numerous times on cars, and bikes....never a boat though, with NO shocks, NO motor problems, worked like a charm.....Electricity is your friend..LOL

Definitely start in an inconspicuous spot though, with 1000 grit....see how you like it.
Not sure on gelcoat, but on a car, you're looking for a "evenly dull" appearance....then you buff it back to a shine.
 

Woodonglass

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Re: Question about wet sanding

I know of NO electrice sander that is rated for wet sanding. If there is one please post it. I googled Electric DA sanders and found none. There are Random Orbit sanders but none that I can find are rated to be used as a wet sander.
 

oops!

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Re: Question about wet sanding

Edited for forum safety
 

garzilla

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Re: Question about wet sanding

I correct myself.....it is a random orbit....not DA (what's the difference?)

Rated for wet sanding? Heck no....is my cordless drill?....no. Drill gets SOAKED REGULARLY, I work for Comcast as a tech...so it sees lots of rain, snow, etc....little shot of WD40 at the end of the day works wonders.

As far as wetsanding....use the spray bottle...on the workpiece....good to go.


http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0007XXHGO/ref=redir_mdp_mobile

Edit......cordless drill shouldn't have been compared to a corded power tool...

Carry on...lol.
 

Woodonglass

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Re: Question about wet sanding

Here on iBoats we continually harp about PPE and then we have the audacity to JOKE about using electrical Corded equipment in a wet environment. For me this is no joking matter, and, if anyone gets a short in their equipment and they are sufficiently grounded, they won't be around to report it to anyone. IMHO this is totally out of character for this forum.:facepalm:
 

GT1000000

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Re: Question about wet sanding

PPE??? Proper Posting Etiquette??? Just asking...never seen that abbreviation before...
 

ABatt2006

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Re: Question about wet sanding

Thanks for the advice, I stopped by home depot and got a block sander with a variety of paper, I'll let you know how it goes.
 

JDA1975

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PPE??? Proper Posting Etiquette??? Just asking...never seen that abbreviation before...

Personal Protective Equipment....AKA Da' Gearz....always wear Da' Gearz
 

BWT

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Re: Question about wet sanding

http://www.allamericantoolcorp.com/

This is the way to go. A bit of an investment with the sander and compressor needed to run it, BUT the results and time saved (not to mention lack of shoulder pain :) ) are hard to argue with. With the 6" I've sanded a 10 meter Trojan (hull) in 1 day, buffed and waxed the following day. Went from looking like a POS to a new boat in 2 days.. At least the hull :D

~BWT
 
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