Quick Start problem?

hortguy

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I have a '96 70hp Johnson (J70TLEDA) that is giving me fits trying to start. The problem has been getting worse over the past year and has now gotten to the point where it is constant. Sorry this is wordy, but I wanted to give as much info as possible.

The motor turns over just fine with the key. If I pull start it with a cord, it fires right up and runs just fine. It starts just fine with the key once the engine has warmed up, even after sitting for an hour or two. Once the engine starts, there are no problems. It runs fine and accelerates fine.

I replaced the plugs (were Champion QL78YC, now NKG 6422) with gap set to 0.030 and plug wires, the battery (fully charged), and the ignition switch. I've cleaned the positive and neg battery connections on the motor and battery. I've checked voltage and voltage drop at several points along the system and everything seems fine. The starter solenoid tests fine with a multi-meter (voltage drop and resistance). I haven't checked timing and it is obviously getting fuel and the priming solenoid is doing it's job.

Here is where it gets strange. Turning the motor over cold, I get one spark off each cylinder as the key is released (no spark while cranking). I discovered while troubleshooting that if I disconnect the Amphenol connector that has the temp sensor and the yellow/red start wire that goes to the Power Pack, the motor fires right up. However if I charge the battery up completely and then start immediately it will sometimes fire right up (but I get one shot). I'm guessing that this would be from the motor spinning fast enough to keep running from just one spark

Any ideas of what I should check? Thanks in advance for any help and thanks again to jtexas for helping me get this far on my problem.
 

Walker

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Re: Quick Start problem?

Put a volt meter on that yellow/red wire while cranking. It needs like at least 10.5v (not sure exacly, don't have my manual handy)
If you aren't getting that voltage to it try cleaning all battery cables and connections and all the terminal wires coming off the hot side of the solenoid.
 

hortguy

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Re: Quick Start problem?

I'm getting 10.3 volts while cranking and the local Johnson/Evinrude shop said that is within specs but I thought I had seen somewhere that the lowest acceptable voltage was somewhere around 10.3 volts.

I have already cleaned up all of the electrical connections I can find/think of.
 

Walker

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Re: Quick Start problem?

I'm at work and don't have my manual with me, but try unplugging your rectifier and see if it starts. I'm thimking your power pack is bad but you need to go thru the entire test procedure before buying a new one. Is your motor OIS ignition??
 

hortguy

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Re: Quick Start problem?

I have no idea what OIS ignition is. I think that I have the CD3 ignition. I'll try the rectifier. According to my wiring diagram, all rectifier connections go directly to the wiring block. Should I disconnect all wires or some in particular to test? I'm looking in my Clymer manual for info, but I spend more time digging through the manual than I do testing things on the motor!
 

Walker

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Re: Quick Start problem?

OIS = optical ignition system.
Doesn't sound like what you have if there is no plug to the rectifier. Never mind disconnecting it. I'd still clean all the wires to the battery and the solenoid. Also check all the ground wires you can find on your motor.
 

hortguy

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Re: Quick Start problem?

I found the rectifier/regulator tests in the shop manual and did what of them I could (no peak reading volt meter) but my battery was getting low from all the testing so I am recharging and will run the voltage tests again with a full charge. Part of the test was to test the stator resistance. The book said that the stator should test between 0.4 and 0.6 ohms but mine tested 0.7 ohms. Surely 0.1 ohm out of spec isn't enough to cause this?

BTW, I recleaned everything on the wiring block and the pos & neg batt connections at the engine.
 

hortguy

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Re: Quick Start problem?

I retested the voltage at the rectifier (the excite and sense circuits) and got numbers consistant with what I should get according to the shop manual. I had 0.4v below battery voltage on the red lead and 0.8v below on the purple lead.

I have to assume that the rectifier is working on the charge circuit because it is definately charging the battery when running. The fish finder has been showing 13.5-14 volts while running and I've used the boat several times since this problem developed to the level it currently is.

I also tested the blocking diode and it was ok.

I've run out of ideas and out of straws to grasp. I'm open to more suggestions.
 

hortguy

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Re: Quick Start problem?

Apparently the problem was the QuickStart portion of the powerpack. After ruling out as many things as I could and a couple of visits to the local mechanic, he suggested just unplugging the 12v line (yellow/red wire) from the powerpack fitting. That seems to have fixed the problem. I have had it out a couple of times since and it has started beautifully each time.

Cooler weather would surely give me a problem, but I live in S FL so we don't have that here :)
 
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